Yes and this is why our feedback is mostly centered around this.
But I would expand it and say that PF is restrictive to new and returning players as well those that have issues using DR.
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I legit quoted your initial post, think we should move on from this as we are getting in the weeds.
You didnât read what I wrote. I didnât, as in I hit max level but did not complete ANY campaign and barely dipped my toe into emerald dream stuff. I did not manage, I pushed through and didnât finish.
The motion sickness options do not work for me, please reread the original post of mine you replied to and my other posts stating this and also recognizing I am an outlier. You arenât really reading what Iâm writing.
This whole paragraph really doesnât say anything either than âDeal with itâ.
You are though, you are asking for REMOVAL of the toggle time.
I am asking to keep being able to use the mounts I can use now.
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All we want is Pathfinder to be removed and allow us use of Steady Flight Day 1 of TWW going live âŚWhat is good for the Goose is good for the GanderâŚstop treating those of us that are disabled or have physical issues with Dragon Flying as Second Class players.
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Ok Iâm done. You want this and no other options will be enough. Got it, hope you get what you want, but give Blizzard more grace than some others in here about them being cruel or whatever.
Itâs a design decision and pushing against it as bad design because of people with disabilities is totally valid from my stand point. I think Blizzard should defend it from that stand point if they have a good reason.
The toggle didnât exist before. It is new, and the switch time went from 1.5 to 6.5. ie a new delay.
You are asking for something you earned at the end of one expansion to be automatic at the beginning of the next. ie a change from every expansion that has had flightâŚand from the only one that has had both types of flight. I get it, but it is asking for something to be available that wasnât ever before.
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I mean, for one, false. Several expansions existed where you simply had to pay enough gold for flight. Wrath didnât even require you to be max level (K3 rental flying mount or buy Cold Weather Flying), Cataclysm had it available with the purchase of a license in the prepatch, and MoP simply required max level to purchase again akin to BC to fly in the new zones.
Secondly⌠The Pathfinder restrictions came into being years after flight had already been established as part of the game. With the existence of Dragonriding and it being available at the start of an expansion built with flight in mind, I still havenât seen a good reason from Blizzard as to why this is being done. âWell itâs a design decision so suck it upâ isnât a reason, itâs just a statement.
Youâre in here telling people to feel grateful for Static Flight requiring a Pathfinder at all while Dragonriding isnât. Iâm glad youâre comfortable expressing your opinion, I guess?
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Early access already causes the player base to be split. The PF requirements further segregates the player base. Coupled with the classic versions of the game splitting more players away and it further divides the player base overall.
This is why requirement that are not uniformly applied tend to cause issues. Same thing happened with PVP where you had to grind conquest points to upgrade PVP gear when conquest points were only awarded rated play. But the larger player base does world PVP or unrated arena and BGs. That division led to long queue times for rated and unrated play as the players were split. World PVP devolved into farming PVE gear to outpace the conquest PVP gear.
PF causes the game world to be less populated and causes friction that disorients new players as they earn TBC normal flying then it is yanked away as soon as they step into TWW. PF also heavily interferes with profession gatherers and an entire class like Druids.
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I wanted a dialogue but you arenât replying to anything I wrote with much besides long paragraphs of âDeal with itâ or things that are tangentially related at best and at worst not engaging with my points.
I attempted to parse out what you want to convey but I donât see much beyond that.
If you want to throw your hands up and show your true colors here thatâs fine, I only ever approached this with good faith and intentions.
Pedantic, it exists now and is hypocritical to claim someone is asking for a removal while doing the same thing for your preferred issue. You are asking for something to be removed. I asked for steady flying to not be locked behind an achieve, I DID NOT ask to remove the achieve entirely.
Which is not unreasonable considering there is already flying not locked behind an achievement. Why do you consider it okay for one form to be locked but not the other? If they wanted the same effect of the previous pathfinders I.E. Exploration of the world prior to flying, why is the one that bypasses the world itself the âfreeâ option?
Cataclysm and all flying up to WoD were not locked behind an achievement. There was also not two types of flying to even bring up accessibility issues.
Meanwhile you still ask for removal of the flight toggle while getting grumpy with others who ask for the achievement to not lock flying, AKA not removing anything. If you canât see the hypocrisy here then that is on you and your own cognitive disconnects.
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Nobody is treating disabled folks as second class anything, stop whining and claiming ableism when it doesnât apply.
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PF exists so by definition yes the disabled are treated second rate by keeping TBC normal flying aka accessibility gated.
BlizZard painted themselves in a corner. I stated as such very up early in this thread.
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You stated it and it was as stupid and incorrect when you said it before as it is presently. Having to unlock TBC flight, which everyone has to do, does not equate to ableism and treating disabled folks as second class, grow up and get over yourself.
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Again, they are doing the same thing here that they did in DF.
They donât need to give us a reason and no matter if they did, people would just move the goal post and create a new angle to complain.
It is what it is.
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I already acknowledged that that is what theyâre doing.
Correct, they technically can just go the dead silence route with this topic. Itâll blow over after the expansion drops, except where Dawnbreaker is concerned. Thatâll probably still keep the topic coming up on occasion anyways.
A reason I donât like is better than no reason given at all.
It can be, or people can at least push to see if something better can be done.
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I am asking people to be honest about the difference between what it has been and what it is in this. I will try to lay it out cleaner for you.
Dragonflight
Dynamic flight at 60 for free
Then 1 year wait for any other type of flight being available
Required main campaign and several other things
TWW
Dynamic flight at 70 for free
No wait for static flying
Only main campaign completion required.
That is a step back from what it was. If you canât see that I just donât know how to explain it.
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Had a whole big response but you know what after this.
I donât want to talk to you anymore. That was very rude.
Where have I been dishonest about this, again?
Being patronizing doesnât make me more likely to agree with you. Tends to have the opposite effect.
Second one is false. Dragonriding is free and open at 70, Static Flight requires you to finish the campaign steps and exploration required for the Pathfinder achievement. Thatâs the problem.
Itâs not enough of one. Pathfinder is an antiquated system for the purpose of gating Static Flight when the reasons provided for its inception no longer exist.
You could try not being patronizing, might make for a good start.
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I am comparing a 1 year waitâŚie it didnât exist in the game for a year to it being in the game from the beginning. If you take the whole statement in your quotes instead of chopping it up it makes more sense. There is no wait to get static flying, there are quests to complete. Different.
You have already been incredibly patronizing to me, so I am throwing it back at you. This whole thread is full of people being incredibly rude to anyone who doesnât agree with you right now.
So youâre saying there is a wait, itâs just less of one. Thatâs the point being made, there shouldnât be any wait if Dragonriding continues to be available from the get-go.
No, Iâve been blunt. Thereâs a difference.
Being patronizing is not the same as being blunt.
Iâm glad youâre comfortable expressing your opinion, but telling me âitâs a design decisionâ doesnât really argue any point in this discussion, itâs simply you attempting to dismiss the argument entirely.
If I wanted to be patronizing, I would pretend to clarify or be âhelpfulâ while simultaneously speaking down to you. You are already perfectly aware of where I stand, and Iâve made the points of the topic very clear in my replies to you. You continue attempting to reframe the topic into something it is not to dismiss what Iâm saying.
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No come on. YOu are just trolling now right? One had a hard waitâŚie you could not get it before a full year after the expansion came out. That is what I was talking about and I think you know that.
The other is in the game from the get go behind the challenge of doing something. No wait, it is available right away you just have to go get it.
So earlier you asked where you were being dishonest about the difference? Right here. This is dishonest pedantry.
Haha wow.
No I am honestly saying there may be a good reason for the game as a whole to do this, and Blizzard should explain their design desicions on why it is not available for free at the start. I donât really care either way actuallyâŚI think either could work, but Blizzard wants it this way for some reason. They should explain why.
Considering you still misrepresented what I was saying by selectively quoting what I said and acting like soething not being in a game for a whole year is not different than it being there but behind some questing is ridiculous. I was really trying to explain it, but I shouldnât have because the truth is you do get it, you are just being blatantly dishonest on the difference to support your opinion.
I am fine with either way on this topic. Open from the beginning or locked till laterâŚprobably lean more for open. I am totally against acting like they didnât make it better thoughâŚthat is dishonest.
I will not respond to you going forward. Dishonest arguing is pointless.
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Still being rude I see. One thing is a fact, itâs the people with disabilities that get to decide whether they feel they are being treated ufairly, not you or anyone else. The same goes for people who prefer steady flight.
Who exactly is accusing you of abelism?
If that label belongs to anyone it would be Blizzard, not you. Blizzard is setting the double standard for access to flight. You are just in support of their stance.
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So youâre telling me thereâs no waiting or unlocking to be done, and Static Flight is enabled at 70 in TWW?
Nope.
You said no wait. There is a wait, because you have to unlock it. You can call that pedantry all you want, but itâs not available the moment you walk into TWW. Thatâs the core of this issue.
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Iâm glad we agree that Blizzard should explain their thought process on this topic.
No, Iâm making my point clear. It shouldnât be locked at all if Dragonriding isnât going to be locked behind Pathfinder as well.
Cool, donât respond to me then. I have not been dishonest at all, you just donât like what Iâm saying.
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