Tbh that is the main theme going on in a lot of these threads. The same 3-4 put on the angry karen act and all it does is make people not take them serious.
What happens when a karen has a meltdown? Do people step in and cheer? Do they assist? Or do they whip our their phones and start recording or just walk away shaking their head?
I have my own disabilities. I know people that have some nasty ones that hinder their gameplay as well. But they don’t throw tantrums. They realize it’s a game. They find work around so they have min/max their enjoyment.
One has to lay down every 2-3 hours because of their medical condition. So we zerg as many keys or raid bosses as we can before he physically has to leave.
Another… vision problems. We color code and stand in places, make callouts to assist them in fights.
They don’t stomp on the ground going “BLIIIIIIIZZARD MAH DISABILITIES!”. And when they do raise concerns, it’s a thought-out, intellectual post.
TBH, the only karen behavior here is coming from those who are shouting down people for posting here. Someone making a post about how difficult it is to use flight under the new system, as a person with a disability, is using the forums correctly.
Someone coming along to call them a karen and belittle their contribution… That’s karen behavior. We might as well be Managers at Panera rn, in this thread, talking to the likes of you.
Please take this free meal voucher and call your therapist.
As do I, not many physical mind you, but socially (Autism) so think where a lot of my challenges in game on MMOs lie
True, but they could just be 1 talker and 1 listener, though that makes it 1 sided communication. I think what most want is 2 way communication, which might be where Blizzard is lacking, they are listening but not talking as before they might have talked too much and gotten blasted for it.
There is a difference between: “I can’t use this thing because xyz, I hope blizzard does something about this.”
And: “I have disabilities and blizzard is a bully and the people agreeing with pathfinder hate people with disabilities too!”
Which we’ve seen more of the latter in pretty much all of these pathfinder threads.
Don’t post your opinion as fact and you’ll be fine. Also don’t attack people for liking dynamic or don’t care that pathfinder exists.
The main issue is if you have any kind of opinion that supports pathfinder at all or you don’t bash it, you get attacked.
I have a bit of both. Annoyingly enough I am more social online. Social irl is a very real challenge.
But I can make friends left and right in random lfg groups
Add in “if you can’t use DF/SF, you can use your ground mounts and everything in the world is ground mount friendly” only to be met with “that is not what we want” or “so those of us that can’t use DF are ground bound and have to go slower then those who can use DR?”
Another sign of a Karen is they don’t take any suggestions or alternatives well.
That is the point where, if I was dealing with an RL Karen, I’d likely be like "I’ve tried to be nice and accommodating, but you are just not having it. There is the door, are you going to leave under your own power or do I have to get security to escort or toss you out?
That would need that they allow the “Switch Flight Mode” does not have a 5 second cast and can be cast while flying on the mount.
If you ask me, I would be happy already, if that “Switch Flight Mode” doesn’t take 5 seconds. Before, like other stated, you could just hop on whatever flightmode mount you wanted at that point in time, now you have a 5 second cast between that.
I once had a karen pout at the counter for nearly a full hour because I “stole” money from them. But they couldn’t comprehend what “pending” meant on their bank account.
So they were going to wait until someone gave their money back. Ignoring receipts and the obvious pending amount.
If you encounter a hyperbolic post, is it better to:
attack the person for making a post.
conserve your efforts for something meaningful to you?
I mean, I supposed it’s possible you enjoy the conflict and find meaning in the engagement of it?
Who have I attacked? Genuinely curious. I am not holding a position of disliking pathfinder or dynamic flight. That’s kinda where you lose the discussion.
More to the point: a video games forum, discussing the state of development, is aiming for… better games development. Being objective can involve using facts and strong language to describe the specific nuance of the game and desired changes.
People have the right to:
Point out X feature is old and doesn’t serve the intended purpose. may need update/removal.
Expect a company to put in the work to maintain all aspects of a game, including updating art assets and systems to remove conflicting/relic design.
Use live examples of things to objectively establish the facts of a situation.
See? Lot’s of direct (strong) language, clearly communicating details and potential design direction. Really, the only legitimate objection anyone can really have:
Posting against forum ToS.
Not being attacked/trolled/belittled.
If I am talking about how disposable TWW is, when it’s not even out yet? Literally going to get people who read ‘TWW DISPOSABLE’ read nothing else, miss a pointed, nuanced argument FOR a much better set of game design options, and set a conversation back, potentially getting it locked/deleted with toxic behavior.
Or the arrogant devs can swallow their pride and admit there’s nothing wrong with noclip flying and Dragon flying was a huge waste of time and resources.
Tbh I usually correct them with facts via links and/or report.
It’s hard to engage with someone who goes from 0-100 instantly and completely ignores logic for emotional rage.
Generalizing. Not you specifically.
Tbh I have no idea where you are going with this.
Are you trying to defend karen behavior? Are you pointing out karen behavior is redundant?
Because we were denouncing karen behavior, and you list off ethical communication.
Karen behavior by definition is confrontational, lacks logic, and usually lacks direction other than to baselessly point fingers.
I’m curious where the breakdown between us exists, then.
If I’m not attacking anyone, do the rest of the things you’ve said to me really hold true?
Basic facts about the game are demonstrable, correct? If I say ‘skyriding is a worse feature than dragonriding’ that’s a claim I can demonstrate, following it up with more factual information, such as:
Renaming convention from DF to SR.
Removal of gameplay both around unlocking the flight mode and upgrading it.
Addition of a delay spell to facilitate a new aspect of the feature (switching between two flying modes, at will, on a per-mount basis).
I can substantiate my claims of the new feature being objectively worse by highlighting the old features of DR and comparing them directly.
Is it better to call it something new, rather than preserving the feature as it debuted? Probably not in most cases, without very good justification.
Is it better to remove the gameplay around the feature, since that gameplay necessarily exists in a place Truncated from the upcoming expansion? Again, probably not in most cases, without very good justification.
Is it better to have a delay between using the two different modes of flight, when it was entirely functional to swap between the different riding modes before, without such a delay? Lastly, most likely not, in most cases, without very good justification.
This is how we arrive at the conclusion of what BETTER or WORSE game design would be. Right? Again, objective facts here, nothing remotely hyperbolic or opinionated here.
Karen behavior, contextually, involves a personality type who is complaining from a place of entitlement. Like if I go to Panera, my food comes out 2 minutes later than expected, I demand to speak to a manger and make a scene…
That’s Karen Behavior. By definition. What I am seeing here, is hyperbolic and disrespectful… coming from people who are attacking people who are making Disability related arguments. There are also people being attacked for… just posting a lengthy argument.
Stuff like this is probably going to miss 99% of the intended audience, out of hand. Doesn’t warrant a direct response. Even if one were to give the benefit of the doubt, agree the devs are arrogant/prideful, unwilling to admit there’s an issue, conceding DR was a huge waste of time and resources, those are all arguments in bad faith.
A good-faith argument would be: this feature is worse today than yesterday, post patch. Give examples explaining your reasoning. I don’t need to call devs arrogant and prideful when I can see where the resources actually went.
Poor game design doesn’t require arrogant or prideful devs. Just ones that haven’t done as well as they could. No one has to hate them. Just let them know where they can improve.
More like… just start from a place of respect and decency. Communicate clearly. Leave out all the rest.
Its already subjective regardless of what you follow up the statement with.
Stating something is “worse”, you are already implying you are biased and it is derived from opinion.
Even if you had something factual to prove without a shadow of a doubt, that one was worse than the other.
All of these are subjective points.
You don’t think the name change holds any value - subjective
removing the need to fly to hard to reach places to farm glyphs and moving them to passively being earned by leveling - subjective
static ↔ dynamic mode shift - subjective
Wrong. All of these are subjective, opinion not based “facts”. But based on your personal beliefs of these things.
Here is my counter.
Dragonriding no longer just includes dragon mounts → name changed
Players weren’t happy having to fly to hard to reach places to get glyphs to unlock upgrades → passive gain while leveling
Limited mounts under DR, players wanted more options → tbc ↔ dynamic toggle to add more options without removing options from either.
What is karen behavior online? Being hyperbolic, disprespectful, instigating, etc.
