Locking stable flying but not skyriding to pathfinder is stupid

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Marosela-stormrage

You might be right. I am not a “Steady Flight purist”, so I don’t care to much. That said, I still find Dynamic Flight not the best, feels like a “spite the players” design. Sorry for my rumbling.

People need to be allowed to make a choice on how to play. Like covenants this will be a grave mistake.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

People need to be allowed to make a choice on how to play.

And maybe some what that choice to be earned, not given outright.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Moused-cairne

That is all we want…take the Pathfinder out and let those of us with medical or physical issues use Steady Flight day 1 when TWW goes live…it can easily be taken out…

A very easy thing to do because it involves very little dev time. A win/win for players and BlizZard.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

There are choices, you just personally don’t like the options available.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

and the option they do like might jsut be the one that Blizzard is like “you want this? earn it”

[Holdmypug-stormrage]

@Tiffany-ravencrest

Moby Dick and Huckleberry Fin are considered considered great novels but romance books might sell better. That doesn’t prove romance books have better stories than the great American novels.

Umm… sorry to burst your bubble but Blizzard doesn’t care about anything being good. The only thing that matters is the bottom line and the maximum amount of money that can rake in for their shareholders.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

@Marosela-stormrage

feels like a “spite the players” design

It rewards you for effort and punishes you for being lazy.

Ive used dynamic 99.99% of the time since it released and gold in all the challenge races. Its literally muscle memory so I don’t feel spite or punished whatsoever.

It just takes practice to figure out the nuances.

[Knarraldin-mankrik]

@Quivermethis-rexxar

Ive used dynamic 99.99% of the time since it released and gold in all the challenge races. Its literally muscle memory so I don’t feel spite or punished whatsoever.

It just takes practice to figure out the nuances.

I’ve done the same, my problem is almost exclusively with herbing/mining and some questing. It’s usually fine, but when it’s not, it’s really annoying.

@Mafic-emerald-dream

For me it wouldn’t because I am not interested in playing a lesser version of Rogue waiting for energy to regenerate.

I play Rogue to play Rogue with energy and combo points and not the cheap knock off. DKs, Monks, Rets, Shadow Priests, Destro locks, etc are not exactly thrilled with the combo point and energy/mana systems that were imported from Rogues.

Making a vehicle into something you have to maintain with energy and combo points misses the point of Rogue energy and combo points.

That is the energy is used when needed along with combo points. The idea of pooling energy with DR is laughable at best. Worse, it shows the devs do not understand that the point of a MMORPG game play is there has to be a harmony.

In other words a push and pull…a go go go and then a downtime. Combat when engaging players or NPCs is the high intensity go go go period and then players need a break from that in the forms of portals, flight paths, TBC normal flying or logging off.

Constant engagement even during a down time aka traveling from point A to point B causes massive strain on players engagement and makes them less engaged.

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This is why TBC normal flying allows players to engage world content far more frequently and longer periods of time than DR. DR is about go go go and then players are burned out by the time they are ready to engage on the ground NPCs, objectives or players.

I don’t really think Dragonriding is like rogue energy and combo points in almost any respect, and I think your entire characterization of it is unfair and also not the complete story. Dragonriding makes the travel itself engaging, and it makes them land, and when they land they’re usually in an area where other people are likely to be (there is a reason they are going there, after all), and when they are there with the other people they will be likely to engage in whatever is happening at the moment, whether because that’s what they were there for to begin with or they just may as well because they’re on the ground anyway. There are broader gameplay implications with this travel system than merely making players engage with travel, which it seems like most players like in the first place, at least to me, since I almost never see anybody actually use the old flying when I’m out and about in the world doing anything.

I don’t want to remove the ability to fly the old way if people want to do so, I merely wish to make the new system of flying work as well as the old one for certain gameplay loops that are currently in the game and have been since 2007. Just making vigor recharge much faster while on the ground would completely solve all problems I have with the system and I would never even think about using old flying again, except in very specific scenarios that I’m sure will still exist but don’t come to mind off the top of my head.

And before you mention disabled gamers, I’m happy they enjoy the game, but I’m not disabled, and I don’t want my experience made worse because we have to cater to less than a percent of a percent of a percent of the customers. I’m happy for you to keep your steady flight if you want, if that’s better for you, but you being disabled in some way has precious little to do with me, because I’m not, and I have no difficulties engaging with these systems whatsoever.

[Pakapaka-aggramar]

Don’t be sorry for chiming in, your opinion matters no matter what others may or may not tell you.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

Removing PF increases choices.

[Marosela-stormrage]

@Knarraldin-mankrik

I think it would feel much better if vigor just regenerated much faster on the ground. I think most of the complaining would end entirely if the vigor bar recharged to full after 3 seconds on the ground, or even if it were just 3 seconds per vigor rather than 15, for a total of 18 seconds standing around before getting back into the air rather than a minute 30. I don’t understand what the benefit of making us wait like that even is. Yeah, the vigor system works just fine for longer range travel, but for short hops when grinding out ore/herbs or for questing, these arbitrary wait times are killer.

The important term here is arbitrary.

While Steady Flying gives you the freedom to just mount up and move to wherever you want which at its base is exactly like Riding minus the annoyance of getting dismounted by a 10 levels lower mob that happens to hit you in the neck, Dynamic Flight turns the whole “getting around” into a mini-game that speeds up your travel but only if you like that mini game and if the distance is long enough.

I think the whole debate would end immediately, if you took out everything that makes Dynamic Flight annoying. Foremost here the Vigor system.

@Quivermethis-rexxar

It rewards you for effort and punishes you for being lazy.

Ive used dynamic 99.99% of the time since it released and gold in all the challenge races. Its literally muscle memory so I don’t feel spite or punished whatsoever.

It just takes practice to figure out the nuances.

I did fly behind someone that uses Skyriding and was just gliding on my Steady Mount and I was as fast as that person. Steady Flight’s speed is, according to my addon 325% while Dynamic Flight if you glide is also around 325% unless you aim down where it is between 325% and 380%, you only really reach 420% if you use that dash and then only for a couple moments.
So really Vigor is what holds Dynamic Flight back, which is like so many things in WoW that could be cool but then there is that one hook that they seemingly have to build in because otherwise we players could have… fun.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Marosela-stormrage

I think the whole debate would end immediately, if you took out everything that makes Dynamic Flight annoying. Foremost here the Vigor system.

So, you want to be able to spam whirling surge and always be at top speed without putting in effort? Then why not just make steady flight be 820%, the point of skyriding is that it is interactive and that enables you to go faster if you put in the effort.

[Tacothebell-lightbringer]

@Derkz-westfall

I have a little more for you: You will have to level to 70 to completely unlock those skyriding skills, and I believe level 30 is when you can start steady flight.

I just tested the minimum level for steady flight and it’s lvl 20, not 30. I got a lvl 18 alt to 20 and was able to enable steady flight. The fact that it’s enabled later than skyriding is still a problem (imo both forms of flight should be enabled at the same time), but it’s still better than waiting til lvl 30. Note: This was in SW, not in any zones where steady flight is tied to a Pathfinder achievement.

[Demaxx-tichondrius]

The game summons ground mounts when you are locked into steady flying, it is annoying.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

Whether you are a casual player or care about min/max the existence of locking TBC normal flying behind PF defies all logic and emotion of WoW game experience.

That is why many players of different background are speaking up against PF shenanigans once more.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

What? The game summons the mount you summon unless you use the random button

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Whether you are a casual player or care about min/max the existence of locking TBC normal flying behind PF defies all logic and emotion of WoW game experience

Not in the slightest.

[Adami-kul-tiras]

It’s the same amount of players that have complained every xpac since Draenor.

Most players don’t care.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

If that was true then why are new players posting in all the flying topics?

Keep in mind I never started any threads in beta!

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Marosela-stormrage

I think the whole debate would end immediately, if you took out everything that makes Dynamic Flight annoying. Foremost here the Vigor system.

In other words, gut the system and ruin SR for those that like the ability to CONTROL their mount in more possible ways

Congratulations, you just proved that those that hate SF and hold Blizzard accountable for spit are, themselves, nothing but spiteful whiney brats that want things their way or no way.

[Adami-kul-tiras]

Because most of them… aren’t new. They are bumping every flight thread purposely.

3/4 are alts.
Truly new players to the game are too busy being ‘new’ than cry about the 10 year old flying system that they weren’t here for when it started.