Locking stable flying but not skyriding to pathfinder is stupid

[Derkz-westfall]

Small victories!

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Derkz-westfall

So I think every aspect of game design should be run through a PLAYER council, and approved prior to be made in game. I don’t care who is on that council, but any number of players would have a better understanding of how to make this change without these problems.

That’s hilarious. The bulk of the people who play the games are not the people who own them, design them, or code them. To say nothing about the fact that transitioning something to live servers is something that revealed brand new bugs this week, with the warband bank bug, so presuming a “player design council” and ptr would stop any bugs is simply not based in reality.

@Illaandra-gilneas

You actually are onboard with this. You believe it’s right and should be done.

I think that you shouldn’t be able to use steady flight for a fight that utilizes dynamic flying, yeah. If it is part of the fight you don’t get to skip it.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

I think that you shouldn’t be able to use steady flight for a fight that utilizes dynamic flying, yeah

You are part of the problem.

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

If it is part of the fight you don’t get to skip it.

The entire dungeon, including one boss fight, requires flight. To my understanding from time spent on Beta and talking to people playing it, Static Flight is completely disabled in the dungeon.

You are part of the problem.

[Derkz-westfall]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

That’s hilarious.

No less hilarious than an 1100 post thread discussing arbitrary game changes executed very poorly in a 20 year old game. If you think player supervision prior to bad design choices like these is funny… if you think game design is best left to THESE game designers… have you played SoD?

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Illaandra-gilneas

To my understanding from time spent on Beta and talking to people playing it, Static Flight is completely disabled in the dungeon.

My understanding is that it is only disabled during the fights, which it should be. If it is disabled going between areas, that would be an oversight.

@Illaandra-gilneas

You are part of the problem.

No

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

My understanding is that it is only disabled during the fights, which it should be.

Have you been on the Beta?

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

If it is disabled going between areas, that would be an oversight

It being disabled in the fight OR in the dungeon is a problem, not an oversight.

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

No

Yes, anti-Static advocate, you are. Go troll somewhere else.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Illaandra-gilneas

Have you been on the Beta?

Yes, though I didn’t try to use steady flight in the dungeon. That said, I didn’t see any threads claiming you couldn’t use it in the dungeon and required it, and in Nokhud you can use steady flight, so it’d be an oversight to not be able to use steady flight between areas.

@Illaandra-gilneas

It being disabled in the fight OR in the dungeon is a problem

It being disabled in the dungeon itself is a problem which is probably an oversight/mistake, the difference doesn’t matter at that point. It being disabled when the flight mechanic uses skyriding is neither a problem nor oversight, it is a mechanic. You don’t get to turn off mechanics because you don’t enjoy them or it would be easier.

@Illaandra-gilneas

Go troll somewhere else.

It isn’t trolling to disagree with you and your complaint that you can’t bypass a mechanic in a boss fight.

[Jarnock-moon-guard]

@Illaandra-gilneas

Dragonriding even moreso

Nah, dragonriding/skyriding is limited by vigor and it’s not as effective for traversing very short distances. Which makes collecting quest items less efficient in skyriding, but much more efficient for steady flight.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

Yes, though I didn’t try to use steady flight in the dungeon

So you have no idea what you’re talking about, then. Thanks for your uninformed opinion.

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

It being disabled when the flight mechanic uses skyriding is neither a problem nor oversight, it is a mechanic. You don’t get to turn off mechanics because you don’t enjoy them or it would be easier.

You can’t have it both ways. Either Dragonriding is notably harder and therefore Static Flight should be enabled from the get-go, or Dragonriding isn’t notably harder and there’s no good reason to hate Static Flight behind Pathfinder.

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

It isn’t trolling to disagree with you and your complaint

I never said you disagreeing was trolling.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Illaandra-gilneas

Either Dragonriding is notably harder and therefore Static Flight should be enabled from the get-go, or Dragonriding isn’t notably harder and there’s no good reason to hate Static Flight behind Pathfinder.

Skyriding has skill expression and steady flight doesn’t have skill expression. In the dungeon, you use skyriding in one of the fights. That shouldn’t be able to be bypassed, it is a part of the fight. You not liking that part of the fight is not reason it should be turned off.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Jarnock-moon-guard

Nah, dragonriding/skyriding is limited by vigor and it’s not as effective for traversing very short distances

Nah, that’s just a lie. Been using the system since I got onto DF Beta. If you have that degree of issue with it you simply don’t know how to use it, sorry.

@Jarnock-moon-guard

Which makes collecting quest items less efficient in skyriding, but much more efficient for steady flight

For the sake of your rather pointless argument, let’s say this is true. Why do you care? You’d have the option to use either flight system if the perceived advantage is so great.

As it stands, any person incapable of using Dragonriding (or simply not good at using it) is placed into a state of disadvantage and being arbitrarily forced to wait to fly while others can fly. That’s the core of the problem here.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

Skyriding has skill expression and steady flight doesn’t have skill expression. In the dungeon, you use skyriding in one of the fights. That shouldn’t be able to be bypassed, it is a part of the fight. You not liking that part of the fight is not reason it should be turned off

I like how you keep acting as if I’m arguing this from the perspective of having an issue actually utilizing Dragonriding. I have no issues utilizing Dragonriding and I do not enable Static Flight even where available, simply out of preference.

There’s no good reason to gate Static Flight, period. No garbage you spew is going to convince me otherwise. Blizzard has not elaborated on why this is being done, and you’re throwing darts blindly hoping to come up with a convincing argument to fill that void.

[Jarnock-moon-guard]

@Illaandra-gilneas

If you have that degree of issue with it you simply don’t know how to use it, sorry.

It’s definitely more involved to use skyriding to go from item to item than it is to use steady flight.

If you’re actually trying to argue against that, then maybe you’re using steady flight wrong lol

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

If you think it’s “spewing garbage” to say that skyriding being enabled and used as part of a boss fight is a mechanic of the fight, then you are just looking to complain and aren’t worth trying to talk to anyway. Go read the dungeon journal, it explicitly lists the mechanic as enabling skyriding and has a mechanic that gives you vigor and a longer duration to skyride.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

you are just looking to complain and aren’t worth trying to talk to anyway

So don’t. Nobody asked you to come into this thread dropping fried takes.

I’ll do you a favor, though. I’ll block you so I don’t have to listen to more of your mindless drivel. That way you won’t feel compelled to talk to me. (Like you ever were??)

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Jarnock-moon-guard

It’s definitely more involved to use skyriding to go from item to item than it is to use steady flight.

If it’s that bad, you don’t know how to Dragonride.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

Mindless drivel = knowing how a boss fight works. Good riddance.

[Aeshma-khadgar]

You are really getting off on being a meaner…oh no!

Way to cut up my sentence just to be a tough silly witch. You are really working hard for attention.

Anyway, it isn’t up to you to decide what I consider a barrier to my enjoyment of the game. Maybe I will decide it was easy after all, who knows.

What I really wish I could wrap my head around, is why you feel the need to be so antagonistic…well, rude, rude is what you are. This entire game is change after change, removing systems and adding them. It means nothing PF has always blocked tbc flight. We are not in the same game by a long shot. The most you can say is skyriding is a new form of flight. To try and go on and on about its differences are why it and not steady flight should be locked behind PF is disingenuous to say the least. I know this because there has been no one who needs/prefers steady flight say, "oh you know, steady flight should be locked behind PF because it is so different than skyriding.

You want to be in a position to attack and trivialize people who prefer steady flight and do not think it should be behind PF. You have no dog in this fight, you just want a fight.

Better players than you have tried to build this strawman.

[Marosela-stormrage]

@Derkz-westfall

As if that’s how that went…

…Abrams was hesitant to direct any Star Wars movie in the first place, and only returned after Johnson’s vision proved divisive…

Basically, he wasn’t going to do any of them. Did the first one, backed out of the second one, then decided to come back and do the 3rd one to please fans who liked the first one.

I didn’t go in depth with that. I seen Abrahms three Star Trek movies, and they where in my eyes a hack job. Yes they where fun to watch once, but basically he took stories from a couple of the original Movies and remade them.

Then with Star Wars I don’t know all that was going on behind the scenes, what I do know is Abrahms directed the first movie, which I watched in Cinemas… and it felt like the three Star Trek movies from him. From what I seen on YouTube, other people agree with what I thought about the movies.

But you sound like you know more of those then I do, I only wanted to use the Star Wars movies as a metaphor, in the sense that there is not the one vision but rather two teams that each decide what they like from the last Expansion and what they throw out. Which feels like 5 cooks trying to cook a something and consequently the spicing is all over.

@Derkz-westfall

This has been reported before, from Blizzard employees who have left. They have discussed the internal turmoil and how it’s a miracle anything happens at Blizzard.

Yeah I heard if they want to make a change they have to write a ticket, which then gets checked by higher ups and possibly discussed in a meeting. Which can take up to two weeks or more. Meaning seeing a bug and wanting to quickly fix it is out of the question especially if the fix would need the change of other systems.

@Derkz-westfall

I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt, I’d like to think anything they are doing in the future will be worthwhile.

Not going to hold my breath tho, 20 years of track record says otherwise.

I agree on that. I stopped to play at the last content patch in BfA, skipped Shadowlands and just came back to take a look in Dragonflight end of season 3… and not really allot has changed.

[Jarnock-moon-guard]

@Illaandra-gilneas

you don’t know how to Dragonride

Explain to me how skyriding is easier to use than steady flight when moving from short-range quest item to short-range quest item one at a time, 10 times in a row, to complete a quest?

Because Skyriding involves jumping into the air and crashing back down every time you wanna move, whereas steady flight is literally just…fly in a straight line with zero thought or limitation.