Locking stable flying but not skyriding to pathfinder is stupid

[Tlalli-myzrael]

@Solonà-moon-guard

Okay so this is timestamped for the exact moment they actually do give their reason behind this. It was answered at the Blizzcon Q&A. People may not like the reason but they did give one.

Here is the post where it was linked, unsure how to do links in quotes

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

So it is a 100% flip from what they said in the past. Interesting.

I still maintain this is a bad idea for disabled people.

[Kaledin-uther]

Yeah I don’t think they said you could wait for a quest mob here. They said you could more easily pinpoint land on a quest mob. They basically said SF is easier and more precise and the flying is less gameplay than DF.

So they said it was too easy and not gamified enough I think more than they said it allows cheating or cheesing of content…rather the flight isn’t as challenging as DF.

They pretty much said DF is more fun so we want you to do DF first while you explore I think. I do think they might have missed something about the fact that most people that can use DF…have already mastered it.

At least it is a reason and they did give it which is nice. I don’t agree with it at this point, but can see where they are coming from at least. It’s just a much less defensible reasoning given we have had 2 years to learn DF and master it. Kudos to blizz for answering it though, gotta admit that as it was hands down my biggest issue with this.

Thanks for the info.

Oh and just fyi on the linking thing it is tied to post numbers and there are like forum ranks. I can’t post 99% of links either.

[Kaledin-uther]

@Jarnock-moon-guard

They want people to be directly engaged with the world. Players didn’t like moving super slow.

It’s kind of interesting…you are right that is what they said. It just doesn’t make much sense when the caveat is “until you master it” for DF and we have been using that for several years at this point.

I think the logic is a bit tortured but gotta admit that is what they are saying. It’s just not as straight forward or sensible as the ground mount argument. It was you can’t skip the content, now it is the flying is harder to skip content until you are good at it.

[Tlalli-myzrael]

@Kaledin-uther

Oh and just fyi on the linking thing it is tied to post numbers and there are like forum ranks. I can’t post 99% of links either.

Thought that might be the case, as I have posted links on my main before, but I wanted to make sure you saw this and know you have my main on ignore, not telling who.

@Kaledin-uther

Yeah I don’t think they said you could wait for a quest mob here. They said you could more easily pinpoint land on a quest mob.

So I adlibbed/paraphrased a bit, know a better way to make sure people watch vids, even if it is just to make sure on what was said?

[Kaledin-uther]

@Tlalli-myzrael

Thought that might be the case, as I have posted links on my main before, but I wanted to make sure you saw this and know you have my main on ignore, not telling who.

hmmmm

@Tlalli-myzrael

So I adlibbed/paraphrased a bit, know a better way to make sure people watch vids, even if it is just to make sure on what was said?

Wait what? So you “adlibbed/paraphased” to make sure I watched it? That is really weird dude. I mean thanks for the link, but that is not cool at all. Just have an honest conversation. Is that what you are saying here?

Or are you asking about the link?

[Tlalli-myzrael]

@Kaledin-uther

Wait what? So you “adlibbed/paraphased” to make sure I watched it? That is really weird dude. I mean thanks for the link, but that is not cool at all. Just have an honest conversation. Is that what you are saying here?

Well, not my intention, so sorry if it came out that way. I did it more cause, while I have watched the vid, I did not remember the exact words or was thinking of how the

@Kaledin-uther

could more easily pinpoint land on a quest mob.

Could translate to what MIGHT happen with DR.

I also know human nature, so while you might watch it regardless, others might not unless they want to check the accuracy themselves.

Again, sorry if I fumbled over my words/came across in a way I did not intend.

[Kaledin-uther]

Gonna be honest this…

@Tlalli-myzrael

Thought that might be the case, as I have posted links on my main before, but I wanted to make sure you saw this and know you have my main on ignore, not telling who.

Is pretty creepy and I am debating blocking you here again. Swapping to get around someone’s block is not cool at all. Let people make their choices on whether they want to talk to you, even if you think it is unfair.

Debating which way to go on this.

[Tlalli-myzrael]

@Kaledin-uther

Swapping to get around someone’s block is not cool at all. Let people make their choices on whether they want to talk to you, even if you think it is unfair.

chuckles I actually support put one on ignore, all of the account are on ignore. I hate swapping alts just to answer questions or provide information. But in this case, I felt it to be a necessary evil, as if the only ones who would link or get you that information are on your ignore list, how can we be sure you get it?

Again, sorry for doing it, but for me it is indeed more a “last resort” thing.

[Lovelight-sargeras (Lovelight)]

@Evilperiod-aggramar

Semantic argument. It’s not available, it is available to open. LARGE DIFFERENCE.

People asked for Blizzard to eliminate the long, many months wait for the patch where it was possible to complete pathfinder. They listened, and pathfinder requirements have been reduced to completing the campaign, available day 1.

@Evilperiod-aggramar

Some people I think want to go back to a caste like society. Scary stuff here.

Calling this a caste system, or suggesting that players would like to “go back” to one is beyond hyperbolic. Do we need to be reminded that this is a video game, and not real life?

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Lovelight-sargeras

People asked for Blizzard to eliminate the long, many months wait for the patch where it was possible to complete pathfinder. They listened, and pathfinder requirements have been reduced to completing the campaign, available day 1.

That is a good thing.

Now remove PF completely so we can turn the page to a brighter WoW future . Patchfinder was a dark era of WoW along with rental system shenanigans.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Patchfinder

See if you can follow along:
Patchfinder, to me and others, refers to the time when pathfinder was not able to be completed fully for patches.
Now it is available to be completed in the release patch.
Pacthfinder is there fore DEAD as far as TWW
calling what we have now patchfinder just shows you as one that refuses to let the past die.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Evilperiod-aggramar

If that was remotely true, they would want us going slowly and seeing the world instead of zooming around like a kitten hopped up on catnip.

You contradict reality here.

And they buffed the speed of TBC normal flying too for TWW.

The contradictions are plenty and can be combed through for hours on end.

[Nayaga-lightbringer (Nayaga)]

@Gabitha-nagrand

I fully cleared in Beta the main quest line and explored all zones and reached level 80 in less than 12 hours of game play time.

Proving not eveyone plays the game in the same way

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Bodo-skywall

I intimate a year only because that would be that individual’s preference given the choice and based on previous x pacs.

locking normal flight behind the campaign does not reflect well on the quality of the material they present if customers must be bribed to do it in full.

if it’s a 1 day event then it is truly trivial and the game would be be better off with the words Pathfinder never mentioned again.

I agree.

This thread has 9.3k views already which is dwarfing most topics in general discussion.

And it has as many views as this beta thread:

Skyriding toggle ruins Druid Flight Form

The new skyriding toggle is universal for all mounts and includes Druid’s flight form. This makes it impossible to use a skyriding mount and the traditional Druid flight form simultaneously. You must do a 5 second cast to switch between them, and back, every single time. Swift Flight Form has two primary benefits: It’s instant cast You can interact with objects (like quest items) while flying The new system means you cannot access these benefits without constantly switching back and forth. P…

That tells me that this is a broader issue and a topic that a lot of people are interested in seeing be resolved. The resolution is very simply by decoupling TBC normal flying from being attached to patchfinder.

That is the easy solution and easy win before BlizZard. And I honestly do not think this topic is going away but rather it will be magnified with early access and then launch date.

Just my prediction!

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Nayaga-lightbringer

Proving not even plays the game in the same way

So what is the issue then? even in TWW some will be completing via ground, others will use DR. Blizzard has shared their reasoning to lock steady behind PF, so the ways might be limited the first time through. After that 1st time? near 100% freedom.

[Kaledin-uther]

@Tlalli-myzrael

chuckles I actually support put one on ignore, all of the account are on ignore. I hate swapping alts just to answer questions or provide information. But in this case, I felt it to be a necessary evil, as if the only ones who would link or get you that information are on your ignore list, how can we be sure you get it?

Again, sorry for doing it, but for me it is indeed more a “last resort” thing.

Not your call. Not your job to decide what I need to see.

Yeah creeping me out. Ignoring you here as well. Don’t do this.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Henceforth-area-52

You haven’t explained how that happens a single time.

You zoom right over not only a zone but the entire content.

Case closed and I hope this was helpful for you. But that was too easy for me. I may be old but not that old.

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

Do you even know what the caste system comment is referring to?

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

This thread has 9.3k views already which is dwarfing most topics in general discussion

And blizzard won’t care because its mostly pointless arguing.
Notice not a single blue has made an appearance?

And they’ll pop in pretty quick to address topics that are important.