Literally 3/4 players want LFD

For one I think it’s stupid for Blizzard not to have BC era servers like Classic one permanently (but the Dev’s must know what’s best as you say)

Plus you wonder why people are cross with you when you only worry about your play style being effected, but if we ask for a band–aid for ours tough cookies…

you somehow think being stuck to doing world PVE is ok or having to pay for a server transfer is acceptable when some of us are just asking for a fix that was in this version of the game coming out that would help some.

Again you want constant PVP go do some BG’s if world PVE is good enough for the PVE’ers

No one is saying the devs are omnipotent. They just happen to be correct on the topic of LFD whether we like it or not.

I said you have options - because you do. That doesnt mean theyre ideal. If there isnt a free transfer then you can buy one. If you dont want to do that you can reroll. If you dont want to do that, you can organize whatever community available to you on your server and try to make the best of it.

Ummm, thanks for the ummm err advice I guess.

Have you read Zippy’s posts? They come pretty close.

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So they are correct on no BC Era servers too (as you said like it or not)? ok, good to clear that up.

See this is the problem you have no reading comprehension, there has to be people first before you can have a community, maybe the sock puppet can explain that? (why re-roll (an lose a number of toons) when there is already a better solution available we just need the Dev’s to pull their heads out and apply it).

No problem, you seem to think having PVP issues was harder to fix than PVE issue… (your fix is already in game great huh?)

You cant say Brian’s wrong. I would be posting with a world of confidence too if the reality of the situation and facts backed my stance. Where I part ways with Zip is I still dont think thats a good enough reason no matter how well intentioned and thought out.

So here’s the thing. When RDF was implemented, you couldn’t add someone from another server to your friends list let alone form a group intentionally (I know you know this please bear with me.)

The game and technology has changed. There’s no reason to limit players to the server they rolled up on. People like to make claims about server identity but I’m just not seeing that anywhere - and I’m not convinced it was such a wonderful thing in the first place.

Blizzard has the tech capability to foster one big community in classic wow (and also, probably retail but yeah, I just don’t really care about retail any more.) But they’re deliberately choosing not to and just clinging to an almost 20 year old mentality. And I find that frustrating to experience.

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At this point I have no idea what youre on about. Youre all over the place and youre not making any kind of sense.

I split my WoW time between TBC and CLassic Era. I play on the Mankrik etc cluster for Era. Its low pop horde side. Primetime there’s anywhere from 20-50 60’s online depending on the day. Raids and dungeons are still run but they take more of an effort to coordinate but its not impossible. Its certainly not as convenient as a mega server but everything has its pros and cons.

If I were more inclined to play alliance regularly, the same cluster boasts 300-500 active players with multiple alliance guilds doing Naxx on a regular, weekly basis. Thats an option too and theyre always recruiting.

So yeah, low pop can suck half of the time if not more but its not like its the end of the world either.

sigh really
*Dev’s are not

when it comes to your BC era servers, but all knowing and have the correct data for RDF?

20 or 50 level 60’s lol I don’t even see 4-8 on most of the time See you’re the one not getting it…

Seems to be the end of a number of “server” worlds…

No argument from me. In fact, I pretty much agree.

For me the first step in navigating these waters is to acknowledge that Brian is wholly justified in his decision (not that he needs to be) and that most of the criticisms levied against RDF are, in fact, accurate.

From there you can make a case that Brians intentions, however well thought out and noble, are ultimately in vain for a slew of reasons I dont need to go into right now, some of which you touched on. If you want to pad that, you can take the hardcore stance of authenticity with regard to Wrath.

Anything else isnt worth discussing. IMO anyway. Like I said, Im pro LFD and I think there’s an argument to be made for its inclusion. Saying Brians dumb isnt the way to go. I think Brian’s got it mostly right, he’s just wrong for actually trying to implement here and now. Its nice in theory but in practice its probably too late.

Youre server, or at least your faction, is dead. Will LFD help you get more groups? Yes. Does it solve your population problem? No.

Its like Bloodythorns just said. They have it within their power to bring people together without RDF but they dont want to do that or give us RDF either. That doesnt make much sense unless youre going to fix faction populations.

Am I asking for my population to be magically fixed or just a slight band-aid to be able to enjoy dungeons…

Why dont we just agree to part ways amicably? There’s nothing Im going to say to you that you arent going to spin into a very personal stance.

In one of Zipster’s posts he said something along the lines of “it could be better” and I just feel like; here in classic they’ve got the opportunity to see what could happen and really try to make something better instead of just as good as it possibly could be with limitations from two decades ago.

I’ve never been a fan of half-measures and especially with an experiment like this - go whole hog! But I also really wish they had stuck with as close to pure as is feasible for at least one run-through of the first three games. Seasonal WoW servers seem like the perfect opportunity to play with other things like fully linked clusters and whatnot.

ok,
But you are taking the side of road block for something that will make the game better for me, so that kinda makes it personal and reading into my comments things I didn’t’ say or ask for, dead AH and other things I can work around (that work around also would make paying for transfers unfeasible) filling up a dungeon is something I can’t.

The anti-lfd people have problems with logic and common sense, they don’t know what is statistics or how they work, for them you always need to ask 100% of the players to have any meaningful data…

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Overall I agree with what you are saying…but in 2022 thats neither here nor there. Nixing LFD just smacks of trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube…you just gonna make a bigger mess.

My sentiments exactly. There’s too much conflicting and contradictory evidence to make a move like this and have it be embraced for the reasons he wants it to be.

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No argument from me. For me it was over from jump street. If Classic was its own thing from day 1 instead of being lumped in with the same subscription you could have gone in a different direction but you didnt - and now you want to go in a different direction with your third entry in the Classic reboot. It hardly makes any sense even if you have a viable justification for it. Their timing is terrible, no doubt about it.

If you dont like the direction wotlkc is going with no rdf, you can go play retail to have rdf.

If something better came along I’d quit instantly, just nothing has.