They tested the waters of what the game was like with it. They’re testing the waters without it to see how things move forward. They’ve already taken your path. They’ve decided they don’t want to repeat it so quickly.
What do you mean? We did all of 3.0 until 3.3 without LFD. What changed in 3.3 other than a few more dungeons, that makes it worth trying the final patch without it too?
To see how things overall turn out without it. I personally don’t think it will last. Blizzard will let it go, see participation and sub numbers drop once we farm everything and it’s mother to death and just like flight being “removed” we’ll get a “GOOD NEWS! LFD IS ON THE WAY!” It’s an experiment.
They’ll likely see participation drop prior to the final phase and add it to look good to the community, not realizing that going back on their decision and instead saying it’ll be there in the final phase would have a better impact.
Blizzard is wrong and we should make sure we communicate that.
We’ve had 3+ years of classic with no LFD, there’s no reason to think wrath classic will magically be different.
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OK one making friends while loveling is very rare especially the way tbc is now Like it or not the game has become way more mid maxi in fact I’m willing to bet as a rogue in TBC you have a heck of a time finding groups if you don’t know at least one person in it.
Secondly learning your class are you joking we’re talking one betwo button rotation I mean especially for talking about warlocks Most classes in classic to tbc are generally pressing 1 to 2 buttons and you’re really going to justify learning your class really on top of that Anything you really know can be easily looked up online online it would take you less than 5 minutes.
For example I can boost Appreciate I may not know the exact rotation but I could easily find that out I know that they Need to look for engiering stat priority and speck.
I hate to be one to break it to you but classes are not that complicated to play yeah I’ll admit in PVP that’s a whole different ball game but let’s it around at the really high level you’re looking at a different mind set anyway.
On top of that like it or not people don’t look at leveling characters a big part of their character progression anymore the simple fact is boosting would not be as popular if people really wanted to keep leveling people people care we more about midmaxine and they care weighed more about game through the content as fast as possible.
Hack I can prove this by my own personal experience Is someone was spamming for a tank for ZA As well I happen to be a palliden tank However I did quit and I came back and I have about phase one bis.
And obviously I haven’t gone a chance to do za yet And no they didn’t look specifically for a time to run they just were looking for a tank and they have been spamming for about a 1/2 hour I whispered them and said I haven’t been a dungeon yet but I watch videos But I haven’t actually been in there yet.
They said no they want someone in at least tier 6 plus because they just want to blast through it they don’t want to take the time to wait and have me learn.
Because obviously you know you can watch videos but it’s not the same thing as doing the fights there’s gonna be a little bit of mishaps but still and you know what they never got to tank for that run.
So yeah If that’s the focus of the player base and if you think it’s bad now where people are gear checking for kaera and za It’s going to be even worse with gear score.
But my point is people don’t look as lovely as this giant thing because quite frankly it’s solved and anything you need to learn about your class you don’t actually need to learn by playing it.
You can learn all that stuff At cap for the most part Maybe a little Knick knacks here and there but realistically speaking those things are only going to be useful in pvp.
So again yeah Like it or not we just play the game different you’re holding on to something that doesn’t hold relevant anymore and the way you’re describing the game just isn’t the way people play
Players do in fact know better than developers.
Unless said developers play their own game (at least some of them do,and for more than 10 minutes) damn right players know what is better for players than out-of-touch developers who want their casual playerbase to suffer.
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3+ years of Classic where we’ve done just fine without LFD? I don’t think you’re proving the point you think you are proving.
Save you do not know better. Everyone has a differing opinion. There are people out there who think LFD is the coming of Christ. You have those who hate it. You have those who believe an NPC should carry them through the instance. You have people who believe the gear should just drop into their laps. That they should never have to touch a dungeon to gear.
Guess what lead to retail? The players thinking they knew what’s best for WoW.
3+ years where we’re seeing that both the lack of LFD does not magically create a great community and where we’re seeing the exact same conditions that lead to LFD being added in the first place in terms of pugging dungeons.
None of that will change in wrath classic.
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Just fine EH?
2-3 hours looking for groups with no group to be found.
waiting an hour to try and snag a tank for the group to fall apart
being invited to groups that aren’t even doing the dungeon you signed up for
list goes on, it’s not fine.
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Two to three hours not finding a group is probably because you’re playing LOLRET and not wanting to play a tank or other desired role, friend. Your issue finding groups is because the community can be absolute garbage to tanks and healers and they don’t bother tanking outside of groups of friends or their guild. I made friends, the social community aspect goes leagues with getting groups. I recommend you try it, or play tank/healer if you aren’t already.
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and the same anti lfd ppl are completely fine with it
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You’ve made a compelling argument why dungeon finder is necessary in Wrath.
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Leveling hunter at around 63.
I have friends and a large guild, they’re not around all the time.
Not always an option, hunters and rogues don’t have that option.
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How dare you play Ret? You’re not allowed to do dungeons!!
The elitist gatekeepers don’t even try to hide what they are anymore.
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I mean, this guy is prot, but i ain’t touching dungeons again til wrath, when we no longer have mana issues haha.
but i get your point.
No, I made the point of how important community is. A community of random players will treat a tank like garbage. It is why they choose to run with guilds and friends. It 's the social aspect of the game. So if a community of random PuGs treat tanks like garbage, your LFD community of randos with absolutely zero accountability or fear of repercussions behind a random tool will be toxic dumpster fire. I’ve been there, done that as both tank and healer.
You’re not 100% wrong on that it’s also the fact that a lot of people don’t want to be patient I can tell you as a powder tank how many times I’ve had to say wait for the concentrate to hit.
Or no were not skipping that were killing it So we don’t accently pull it later on And people hate it they want to pump they want to rush through things as fast as possible even if it would lead to a wiep.
And yeah I would agree it’s the same end on healers me I will always wait for my healer to get Mana In fact I refuse to pull unless my Healer Has full mana.
But the symbol truth is people have gotten so used to the midmax parse mentality all they get they can’t turn it off it doesn’t matter if we wipe or not it’s all about that parson their head.
Cough cough Just like it is in retail Cough And it’s the same thing with class this isn’t me I’ll take whatever DPS I can get because I’m not bias but I’ve seen so many tanks say nope I don’t want you if you’re not a warlock or a mage.
It’s not a good state that the games end and that’s before we talk about the fact that basically pay to win at this point Because of gdkps.
But yeah I would definitely agree
We haven’t done just fine. Lots of players quit because their servers died, or they couldn’t find dungeon groups.
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