Hey look, more statistics pulled out of thin air. More bad takes for Griswald as usual.
And this people right here is a prime example of Community.
Not giving a crap about people who aren’t in your guild?
Awesome community right there.
Very fine example of how awesome the social aspect of WoW is today.
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You got issues. Seek help.
You know what inherently means? Nothing to do with majority opinion.
So, how is LFD ‘inherently’ good?
Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll find a guild when you hit 70, or 80. Try hitting groups up along the way. Now that you won’t play lobby simulator Dalaran 2.0 you might make a few friends. Classic works great for that.
Right.
That does a hell of a lot of good before level 70-80.
Thanks for the pearls of wisdom.
Also thanks for proving my point that there is no such thing as community.
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I think LFD is bad for the game, but I’m indifferent as to adding it or not. We are way past the point of tfl. I’m just going to accept wotlk as they give it to us.
If the fun dries up, I’ll hit pservers.
I’d be curious to know how many people who want LFD are simply content clearers though.
Yeah community is a figment of imagination. None exists in classic, we should just do the exact same thing we did in 2009 lol. You people are funny. 10+ years of asking for classic to go ahead and do the same mistakes over and over.
So much whining from this “pro-LFD” group. Aren’t you quitting? Or does the lead dev need another interview to tell you there is no LFD in classic because there never should have been in the first place.
Community at least in your words doesn’t exist outside of guilds.
And you don’t care about anyone not in a guild, or more likely not your guild.
Cause knowing people like you I’m sure you don’t care about anyone outside your guild either.
Let’s pretend for a moment you are about to do a heroic dungeon or a raid.
And your main RShammy can’t come because of work so you decide to nab one from outside your guild.
Heroic/Raid done and you part ways.
That RShammy you needed for your run was a tool to get what you wanted,not a person and you never need to deal with him again.
Now if that ain’t a magnificent example of what ‘community’ means today then I don’t know what is.
And if by chance that is the way it is,not including RDF is not only stupid but also a gross injustice towards people not part of big guilds.
Because no one cares about them.
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Yeah if I was such a cynical person with an absolutely transactional view of WoW, I would totally share your opinion.
Take your hypothetical example which has happened to me. The pug RShammy , presuming we enjoy his company and he does a good job would more than likely get asked if he’d like to join us for more runs and/or join our guild. 3 of our 5 shammies joined the guild this way. Would have worked great with RDF though… totally could have invited that shammy from another realm to the guild.
Again no. RDF is trash. People that don’t want to organically interact with the game and their community should not play classic or should not expect the same level of success. We went that route in Wrath, we now have a chance to correct it.
Many years of retail my friend.
Gearscore,already having achievements for particular content,dps meters.
There is no fun on retail Wow,it’s a numbers game.
And anyone who doesn’t meet those standards doesn’t deserve to have fun.
And I don’t believe you when you say you recruited 3-5 shammies that way.
What if they are in other guilds?
Then boom, disposable tool for you to get what you want.
And you don’t have to use RDF if you don’t want to.
It’s a tool to help people who are struggling do content.
Especially at early levels.
But I guess you like so many others don’t care about anything less than max level content.
By all means,dislike RDF and don’t use it.
But don’t attribute anti social behaviour with a tool to help people of all levels instead of just max level and say it doesn’t deserve to be in game.
I don’t particularly care if you don’t believe me lol. What kind of response is that?
2 out of the 3 shammies were in guilds that we asked anyway because we were leveling up and they liked our vibe. Which is what the spirit of classic is.
I didn’t have to use World buffs either if I didn’t want to right? That’s a non argument.
It’s a useless tool that eliminates the need to interact to find groups. But again this game has people that really should be playing something else since their definition of finding a group is “DPS LFG Uldaman”, giving up after 5 mins and saying there’s no way they can find groups. That isn’t classic.
You can level just fine and do groups organically, I have 3 lvl 70s and multiple 60+ toons that have done almost all leveling dungeons.
This is a moot point though. There thankfully is no LFD and there won’t be. The devs finally made a decision that made sense for classic after putting in unforgivable crap like boosts.
So you poached 2 people from other guilds depriving them of growing with their own guild?
Just goes to show how little guilds mean to those 2 shamans if they could be stolen away so easily.
As for World Buffs, does it not deserve to be in game because you won’t use them?
Same with LFD.
You don’t wanna use it so it doesn’t deserve to be in the game.
All the anti LFD people are people who fail to understand that having it won’t impact their way of playing the game at all.
The people likely to use it aren’t going to be doing things with you and your guild anyway if LFD is enough to stop them from queuing normally.
Sitting in a city for 2-3 hours spamming LFG is not social interaction.
It’s spamming and will get you ignored by a great number of people.
Most of those people who give up looking for dungeons have been people trying for HOURS to do class quests and whatnot only to get spammed by people asking to be paid for doing it.
That’s not social interaction either.
You know not adding LFD is only a tool to sell boosts right?
Blizzard doesn’t care about the social experience like they keep spouting.
They care about the money.
And people who can’t be bothered leveling more toons will buy those boosts just so they can do the content your guild prefers doing.
But damn everyone else who wants to play through the game.
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Those shaman joined our guild, because throughout our dungeon runs we discussed goals for TBC Classic and theirs aligned with ours more than their current leveling guild. You know , through social interaction, things happen.
I fully agree that spamming 2-3 hours for a group is not social interaction. If that’s your idea of finding a group, you clearly don’t understand how this game works.
It has been explained a million times that regardless of “choosing not to use it” the impact of the tool is inescapable. It’s been explained multiple times in this thread.
Also spare me your crackpot conspiracy theories of boost selling. Unfounded tinfoil crap is irrelevant.
People that can’t be bothered to level will boost anyway is true. Luckily there is precedent to destroy boosting as well as they did in SoM, but we’ll see if they put in dev time to do that.
People have been playing through the game for the last 3 years. They will continue to do so in Wrath Classic just fine. I’m sorry if retail tourists and convenience addicted zoomers won’t have their whims served this time
I would like lfd.
But I have lots of alts.
Queing rdf to lvl is way better than paying a mage/pally to do it.
Im fine questing thru the zones once but dont care to do that again after the first time.
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They are useful for mobile games to play multiple accounts and funnel resources to your main depending on the game it allows F2P players to compete with whales. Overall its very easy to skew youtube polls just because of how easy it is to make accounts
I hate to break it to you, but that’s not a random sample of wow players. The type of person that watches those kinds of videos and vote in online polls are different from the typical wow player. You gotta take those numbers with a grain of salt.
So they joined you simply to get what they wanted.
Mhmm totally loyal and great community you got there.
Can’t wait to hear about when they leave you because a different guild has a better idea for the future than you and you resort back to pugging shamans.
But with the current way the game is that is the ONLY way to recruit for dungeons and raids.
So either we spam away or we give up and not do any dungeons.
Cause even if people join guilds,it isn’t guaranteed that your guild will want to do the content you want to do.
So do you give up and follow your guild and not do anything you yourself want to do or do you treat your guild like a chatroom and just banter while spamming LFG to do stuff you actually feel like doing?
And all those explanations as to the impact it has are entirely unfounded and fallacious.
Barring the usual toxic folk there is no bad that can come from adding it.
People who need it will use it and people who don’t won’t.
But those toxic folk are already here and short of being banned nothing will stop them from being toxic.
I will agree that it is a conspiracy theory,but not only is it not my own personal opinion it’s also one that is pretty popular nowadays for a logical reason why RDF won’t be added.
On that same note, saying that RDF will destroy Classic WoW is also unfounded tinfoil crap.
If it was WoW would have died long before current retail.
Bunch of people quitting because they don’t get their own way is hardly evidence of a game destroying tool.
And I am in no way a retail tourist or a convenience addicted zoomer.
I am here on Classic because I hate retail and my fondest memories were from WOTLK.
Which believe it or not I had a guild on.
Convenience is convenience and if I had any other choice I would take it.
Current day community doesn’t give two craps about content below max level.
So boost or don’t do dungeons are our only choices.
Sure the people who spent time making all that low level content would be glad to hear people are forced to skip over it because no one can be bothered.
Again they joined, because we had a good vibe and shared our mindset. If they leave, that’s fine, we’ve grown our community to include multiple guilds and that regularly exchange members that can make different raid times and have different (sweaty or casual) mindsets to playing. This is on one of the largest mega servers. Classic is about the community you make. If you don’t want to put in any effort in creating that, why play classic? That’s the whole mantra of the game. Accomodating solo play and convenience play is antithetical to that. It would be arguable if Classic WoW was the only option out there, but other games exist that do offer these conveniences. Heck the same developper makes another version of the game that does. The lead dev of that game literally told you to play it if you want RDF.
RDF won’t destroy Classic WoW, I don’t remember saying that. What it will do is result in the same crappy route we went in 2009. We have evidence of that, we lived through it once. This fascination with doing it all again is hilarious at best and sad at worst. This is a chance to do it better.
I’m glad you had a guild. Time to make friends in the game, build your community, bolster your friends list so that when you need that low level dungeon there’s tons of people waiting to help you with it.
Sweeping generalizations about “current day community” and “boost or don’t do dungeons” are cute. There will be all level dungeons in WoTLK Classic and plenty of people who don’t do boosting. If we are lucky Blizzard will also implement the mechanics that prevent boosting like they did in SoM, but even if they don’t there are plenty of organic groups.
The journey is doing the dungeon itself, not spamming LFG and flying to the entrance.
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