I mean at this point every Shaman should just get a Martin Thunder mailed to them.
All the shamans here to gaslight you lmaoooo crazy what some players will say to stay in power.
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There are a number of alterations they could make to Overcharged, the issue is they’d also need to use buff something to compensate because without it shaman tanks will end up dead in the water. Molten blast took a huge nerf to threat, RB got gutted. Without overcharged they would quite literally have no threat left.
They are already squishy and mediocre for boss tanking, so while a rogue takes a couple dodges/parries to gain bonus hp (that they don’t need immediately). Their defensives can be in place before even reaching the mob.
Shamans remain squishy for over half of every pull and if it’s a boss often the entire fight. Which means they have a very clear niche as trash/aoe tanks. They also cannot benefit from a resto shaman’s earth shield.
Rogues are quite literally the opposite, they struggle on trash and excel on bosses. I would love to see the CD removed from unfair advantage and/or alter it to include parry, or lower the CD on riposte or something. But that is neither here nor there.
Warlocks have no ramping toughness, and neither to druids or warriors, they are already as tough as they get just standing around. Paladins are literal 3 phase raid bosses so no one cares.
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This is actually hilarious
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get gud LOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Overcharge rune destroys rogue
Well that settles it, OP wasn’t lying. Rogues die to afk shamans, blizzard immediately delete overcharge. And potentially shamans as a class.
Now that this thread has been debunked I will stop wasting time on the matter.
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LS is broken and stupidly overtuned. Anyone who has raided horde knows how bonkers it is for large packs. If this is their aoe threat gen rune, up the threat gen and lower the dmg.
There it is… actual proof 
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-No shield or defensive runes
-Enhancement with no spellpower
-still doesn’t understand why he’s wrong
This is just you demonstrating that the entire conversation has been over your head the entire thread. Yeah, we can dumpster stupid DW enh shamans running around like its classic era, the entire point of the thread was about elemental shamans using the rune in combination with tanking runes to be invincible. I’m only surprised you didn’t make the video completely naked.
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Enhancement has spellpower from mental dex AND improved LS talent from enhance tree, so our LS does just as much damage as an ele’s.
And if you think a shield is going to make a 4sec kill turn into a 15sec kill you’re wildly mistaken.
Also, what defensive runes do you think that ele shaman had? I thought he was afk, so it’s not like he popped shamanistic rage for the damage reduction.
Lightning shield is definitely busted. It’s so busted it’s guaranteed to get adjusted.
Yes shamans do have mental dexterity but notice how he does not have the mental dexterity buff because he is not hitting anything. Moot point. Having defensive runes and talents absolutely will make the shaman take much longer to kill.
I haven’t played since phase 3 release, so idk anything as it is now. Did you have full energy when you opened on them? Regardless, that is kind of dumb that it does so much damage.
What defensive runes are you talking about? Shamans have like 1 defensive rune and it’s an activated ability (shamanistic rage).
You actually have to deal damage with your weapon to proc Mental Quickness, and nothing is stopping an Elemental Shaman from snagging extra mana and more oomph on Lightning Shield… so no, you’re missing the point by a mile.
In the video, the Rogue loses about 25-30% of his Health hitting a completely AFK Enhancement Shaman whose Lightning Shield is doing 177 damage for 5 procs (885 damage). That’s a Rogue with 3k-3.4k Health. The Shaman started around 85-90% starting health and “died” to 1,581 damage, so this Shaman was between 1.7k-1.9k max Health. So this is just utter garbage as a comparison. The Rogue is stabbing him with daggers for 100+ a hit on a supposed Mail user and killing him autos/poisons only in the course of a Cheap/Kidney stun. Paper Shaman are easy to kill, news at 11.
Oh and that 177 damage per LS proc? Base damage on Rank 6 LS is 154. The improved talent is 15%, which is 177. So that means this Shaman had less than 3 spell power.
But let’s see what an Elemental Shaman would deal with LS using lvl50 non-ST gear:
https://sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/5WQw83McXSjBhoveGZNyMw
2913 Health and 3124 Armor (4920 w/Shield Mastery) is ~4.9k EH (~6.0k EH w/Shield Mastery). Add in 10% DR from Rockbiter and 10% more for Nature damage only from talents, along with 30% more Health, and the Shaman is hovering around 7.0k EH without Shield Mastery procs (and up to 8.6k EH with it). If we assume only the Rogue’s damage in the video as steady, which took 6 sec to kill the Paper Shaman with sub-2k Health, you’re TRIPLING that time assuming the Rogue continues to just stab and get poison procs, longer still if the Shaman faces the Rogue and gets Blocks going.
So 15s is easily cleared even with Envenoms tossed in.
But what about the damage? The same Shaman has 938 AP the moment he swings his weapon at the Rogue thanks to his Intellect and Rockbiter. That means the Shaman has 435 SP between his native SP and the SP conversion from AP. Lightning Shield has a 0.267 SP coefficient, and Improved LS boosts the overall damage by 15% and the base damage is 154. That means the proc is going to be right around 310. If he didn’t proc Mental Quickness, he’d instead have 224 LS hits instead.
So the 184 LS the OP hit was on the lower end of native SP.
Remember the Rogue from the duel who had 3k Health?
- 9.7 sec LS only death with 310 procs
- 13.4 sec LS only death with 224 procs
- 16.3 sec LS only death with 184 procs
And that’s from a Shaman who just faces you while using a Shield and lets LS do the work. Add in a right-click for autos and it happens faster. Add in actual spells being cast, like Flame Shock and Earth Shock, and it happens even faster.
Uhhhh…
Shield Mastery improves Block Value, Block Chance, and massively increases Armor.
Way of the Earth massively increases max health, decreases damage taken, and trims 6% crit chance as well.
All for the low low price of using Rockbiter and a shield, which is made super useful thanks to Mental Quickness.
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So you think an elemental shaman was running a bunch of tank tunes?
And you’re complaining because the rogue in the video couldn’t 100 to 0 the shaman without losing any health?
Do you also think it’s OP that hunter pets hurt you while you stunlock hunters to death?
Not to say you’re lying, but what is the point of hiding your health / gear / runes and showing nothing of the rogue, not even damage??
thank god there is at least 1 class that rogues cant obliterate in 3 gcds
Not sure why this hit so hard for me 
Not even high.
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In PvP… absolutely.
If this is what you’re asking, your teachers have well and truly failed you.
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