Gold stars for everyone!
I wrote a note down on my pad to look out for this kind of thing. I predicted that people would select and pick out that same exact quote that you pulled because it just goes to show how our society has regressed mentally to skim arguments over for points of contention that sound offensive on the surface when pulled out of context.
I challenge you to add back the context to the quotes from which you cherry pick, because I assure you, youâll find your own assumptions challenged in a way that makes you smarter and more educated as a person.
Otherwise, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy that sweet sweet argumentative evasion.
Your argument was based on a false premise that LGBT+ people think that others should be impressed with our queerness.
This indicates that you were uninformed and uneducated about the topic of LGBT+ issues. If you werenât you wouldnât have used the false premise that LGBT+ people expect others to be impressed by our queerness.
Because you are grossly uninformed and had a false premise, none of the text supporting that premise has any value because you donât understand the topic so how can you logically write anything meaningful about it?
I googled âwhy LGBT+ pride is important,â for you. Hereâs the top result.
âGay pride or LGBT pride is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people as a social group. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements.â
Traditionally, historically, being LGBT+ was something that was socially stigmatized and people got shamed for, or worse, arrested, jailed, beaten, murdered, SAed, etc.
Ergo pride is the antithesis of shame and stigma.
The pride movement grew out of yearly reminders of the Stonewall riots where people at a gay bar called Stonewall In fought back against police after the bar was raided and anyone who was wearing clothes that didnât align with their sex was arrested, etc. Someone tossed a brick at a cop during the arrests and taking people to the paddy wagon and violence broke out. The LGBT+ people were raging against the popo.
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Then what was being asked if you werenât asking
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I asked him why are trans-activists protesting a bill that prohibits child abuse.
Problems here:
Not a bill
Not prohibiting child abuse, but instead codifying it.
And reading through Paxtonâs letter, thereâs no proof in it, mostly just seems to be assertions about laws it breaks by citing the text of the law, and from my understanding lies about what the treatments are in that age group and finding ways to fit them into categories that arenât applicable to them, like sterilization and FGM.
Define child abuse in the context of the law you claim Iâm against.
You mean like you did when you got on your soap box about pride when people werenât really talking about it, in a thread thatâs about discussion of the game and its story?
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Such big brain predicting that people would ignore your nonsense after you made a straw man argument. Youâre so smart. Would you like a gold star?
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Youâre misrepresenting my argument on a fundamental level, so much so that itâs worrying me that youâre going off into tangents that are -almost- within the realm of being relevant but are on the outside looking in. Letâs re-evaluate.
My initial assertion was to get people to think more critically about WHY their pride is important, and to your credit, youâve done a good job explaining where the pride comes from, but you donât seem to understand youâve just proved the point I was just initially trying to make.
Straight pride was brought up earlier in this thread as a negative because being âstraightâ isnât controversial, nor does it contain any negative connotations. Which is why youâll never get anyone to care by saying straight pride is important. Itâs not.
LGBT pride comes, as you said, from a response to societal stigmas and prejudices, which I tried to iterate in my first post to you. So itâs not âprideâ in ones identity, itâs pride in the defiance of perceived outside forces, which is of course what this is all about it.
Itâs pride directed towards an outside force, which isnât true âdignityâ as you quoted from your google search. Your prideful of your opposition to others who oppose you, who think you arenât as ânormalâ as they are. So itâs less pride with oneâs dignity and more argumentative contrarianism.
The goal of my initial reply was to challenge others to think critically about why they feel the way they do about certain issues. Even people that are straight who support the LGBT movement, youâd have a hard time convincing me that they actually care about who you are attracted to, and more often than not, their âsupportâ is little more than something to suppliment their messiah complex and to validate themselves as protectors of those who cannot protect themselves.
My initial point holds true. Itâs not worth it to put so much weight and self-worth into your sexuality, and in the same vein, itâs not worth the weight to project so much vitriol towards people who want to live their lives the way they want to. People that belittle others for their sexuality are just as cringy to me as those who believe their sexuality is something worth putting so much weight into.
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No, I passed over your essay attacking a straw man because your premise was a straw man.
You have to actually understand the topic youâre writing about to be right about it or even make a point, which you clearly illustrated you donât when you based your entire wall of text on the false premise that queer people want you to be impressed by their queerness.
All of it is incorrect because the premise was incorrect.
Thatâs like saying if A in A â B is false, B being true matters. It doesnât. B only matters if A matters. Again this is a basic law of logic.
Not only did I point out that your premise was incorrect, I provided an explanation of the thing you donât understand.
Iâm indifferent to the whole message because it was nonsense and not worth reading.
If you want people to read your posts you need to start with the basic understanding of what youâre writing about and not use a false premise or a straw man. Because everybodyâs going to dismiss everything youâve written because you donât know what youâre talking about so elaboration on your thoughts on a subject you have no understanding of is pointless.
Iâll be happy to read your wall of text when you demonstrate a basic understanding of what youâre writing about, donât use a straw man, or a false premise.
Your postâs premise was that LGBT+ people think that others should be impressed by our queerness.
This is a false premise. What is false cannot be true. That is illogical.
Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself.âEric Clapton
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No your initial point does not hold true
Because it lacks an understanding on why itâs important for minorities to be proud in a world that upholds institutions and sentiments geared towards typically keeping minorities down
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âYou shouldnât put weight into this portion of who you are that causes people to discriminate against you.â
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Itâs also offensive to me when people say âbeing gay doesnât matterâ in the context of me describing who I am it does I am a gay person and that is part of my experience and it feels dismissive to not acknowledge that, and it happens with being a person of color too donât dismiss my experience and I feel like people who want to act like those things donât matter (some not all) do mean well but they coming from a place of privilege donât even understand how dismissive it is because they donât realize those things mean something to people
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All this reminds me. I should pull out the wow LGBT thread bingo card I made.
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Iâd address your points if you had any.
All you had was a false premise that LGBT+ people think that people should be impressed by us.
Go ahead and personally attack me, you couldnât even be bothered to Google what gay pride actually is before wasting your time writing a pile of nonsense.
Hey all - Just wanna remind everyone you donât need to waste time or energy engaging with trans/homophobes 
They are just here to cause you frustration, and itâs totally ok to curate your life and block them. Not give them the oxygen they so desperately want to frustrate you.
Anyway: I saw this on Twitter, but if the next expac is Dragon Isles, I want us to sail in with Flynn and Wrathion talking sassy about Shaw. Like. Bring back the boys!
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Cue Rosenivy just being smug with Shaw in a âOh I can tell you two are datingâ Shaw just denies heâs dating Flynn and instead says theyâre married
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You know. Itâs always funny when people who arenât LGBT+ tell LGBT+ people that we shouldnât put as much value on portions of who we are.
They donât have to think about how their sexuality is a part of them because their sexuality is the societal norm and is just considered automatic. They donât think about their sexuality because no one is denying making them a wedding cake because of who they love. No one in the supreme court is talking about taking away their right to marriage. They have always had that privilege.
They donât have to think about their gender identity because their gender identity being in alignment with their sex is the standard so they donât have to think about it because nobody makes a big deal out of it or is trying to legislate against them getting healthcare or where they go pee. They donât have to worry about a doctor refusing to do a medically necessary surgery on them because theyâre trans.
Then they have the audacity, with all their privilege, to tell us that those parts of our identity should not be valued at all, or embraced at all.
And they assume that we donât have other accomplishments or skills and are just only valuing our queerness.
They then fake claim us when we share our other accomplishments.
Meanwhile they put an awful lot of value on their own identities to the point they try to force their politics and religion onto us.
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