LRF should all be personal loot, i ran twice got nothing, so screw that, i solo delves t8s and t9 got way better results
Not at all. It was easier for overgeared players to get loot with PL than it is with GL.
There’s a reason we had the same basic threads every week with PL with the slight variation of “geared toons refuse to give away their LFR loot” instead of “geared toons needing on LFR loot.”
Going to be honest, LFR is just not a great way to gear up. Also, and I hate to say this, but their time is just as valuable as yours and it doesn’t matter why they want the loot, they just do and so do you…so what is the difference?
If they couldn’t roll, they’d stop queueing…so you’d have slower runs with the same outcome of people rolling need on the gear.
Better off running delves, and yes you can go in there as low as 540…I’ve done it. Do world quests, run heroic dungeons…do the weeklies…but LFR just is not a great way to get gear. Gotta be lucky.
I must be tired, but I really don’t understand the thought behind your comment here…
PL is simply just pre-rolled loot, being geared or not has no bearing.
It would be like running LFR today and rolling need on everything, it’s the same system.
The only key difference is that today you can literally just press pass, or click to roll for tmog if you want to potentially give up the tmog to someone who needs an upgrade.
The button isn’t there to only roll for tmog, it’s there to pass unless everyone else passed.
In LFR, or really any auto-grouped function… no one is “entitled” to loot; if a geared player wanted to simply vendor it… so long as they put in the effort on the run that’s their choice.
If I don’t “need” anything from LFR, I simply just don’t run it.
Everyone has a right to roll for transmog. Or their friends. If someone chooses to get gear someone else they shouldn’t be passed over for fresh alts; especially for seasonal mogs from raids.
Yea, you can.
If you need for a transmog item over someone’s gear upgrade, I will continue to call you a ninja.
I wish LFR loot was 100% private. 9 times out of 10, I’ll immediately get someone whispering me trying to get my loot. I’m so sick of it, I’m considering just turning off the whispers channel.
So, as I’ve put in the past umpteen of these types of threads that no one will pay attention to (especially Blizzard):
- The loot system is not designed for what you think is fair, it’s what Blizz thinks is fair.
- Rolling Need for transmogs is a jerk move because it is outside of the perceived intention. We can prove this in that you cannot roll Need for all pieces that you can transmog, therefore, a statistical combat bonus was the intended use of Need.
- Everyone rolls Need for transmogs because everyone rolls Need for transmogs.
- Blizzard won’t even come out and explicitly verify point #2, which basically means they don’t care that everyone gets frustrated and upset. They’re not changing anything because we’re not streamers, or important to them in any way except whatever share of their income we represent. Apparently, not enough people are quitting over LFR loot rolls, so they don’t do anything.
It’s not the same, it’s similar.
With GL, you’re not eligible to roll need of stuff that you have the same or version of.
The complaints mainly focus on toons with better gear rolling on LFR stuff, but Johnny Mythic Raider can’t even hit need on anything he’s got from the higher raids with GL. With PL, Johnny can win every LFR version every week all season.
And it’s not just Johnny Mythic. If I get lucky and got a full kit from LFR early, I wouldn’t be able to hit need on any of that stuff again all season, but if be able to win it every week with PL.
A lot of people disagree with this, thus this thread gets posted a few times a week. 
With the delves, I run LFR just for the vault slots. Getting anything is a bonus
True, but you can just not equip that and net the same result I think.
That said, this makes the new system quite a bit more superior; players running have to go out of their way a bit to specifically farm the tmog and at that stage it’s “needed” loot to them.
No.
Nope. People who don’t need it can roll need. You could roll transmog, but the system doesn’t care if you really need it or not just if your class could use it.
Which is why my suggestion is superior to the current system and personal loot as it was.
You could trade it in PL if it wasn’t an upgrade.
Your pros were that you believe that people who need loot actually get it more often now, which is of course completely wrong, but you contradicted yourself.
You also apparently are aware on some level that this supposed problem wasn’t actually solved and there was no improvement since people complain about the same thing in both systems.
You think the folks in mythic gear aren’t using it?
And it’ll still count as long as you have it, equipped or not.
Yes, you see a lot less of the stuff that’s on everyone’s loot table: rings, cloaks, & necks.
The system does care if you have something that makes you ineligible to roll need.
And if it was an upgrade you didn’t want or that would have been a much bigger one for someone else, you were stuck with it. That’s bad for everyone.
No, they’re more likely to be rolling against less people, and have a better chance of winning. Which is how GL works with rolling restrictions. Doesn’t guarantee a win, but better odds are still better odds.
Lucky you, I’ve never been told to kill myself more than in LFR runs where I refused to give up loot to someone who “needed it more than me”. Players had massive entitlement issues with PL, especially when people were running the addon that blasted in raid chat the names of players who won tradeable loot. Which is why the LFR meta was to just not loot the boss and let Blizzard mail your gear to you.
I can roll need in LFR on items that aren’t ilvl upgrades. The system doesn’t care.
Instead people roll need on things they don’t need and still get things they don’t really need so nothing was improved.
It’s actually overall worse because instead of it just being my roll win and getting a random item, I now have to hope the item I want drops and then roll against 10+ people for it. My chances of getting what I want are less now than they were before.
They have to win two rolls. First the item has to drop in the first place out of the bosses entire loot table, then they have to roll against everyone of the same armor type or possibly the entire raid for certain slots.
For example, I won a tank amulet on my priest because it was a huge ilvl upgrade. First the item had to drop, then the tanks have to roll against probably 20 people to win it. They would be much better off winning the PL hit and then getting it out of their personal loot table.
I mean, I’d report someone for that they’d likely get banned. I highly doubt that’s common or typical.
If you are doing lfr for gear upgrades, thats good for you. Some people would rather get the transmog… because they are cool looking tier sets. And having grinded other modes for ilvl.
That’s fine that they’re there for that… but it’s still a ninja to take a gear upgrade from someone when you only WANT it as a transmog, my view hasn’t changed.
LFR is not a viable source of endgame gear. Xmog is just as valid of a roll.
Delves and Heroic dungeons are entry level endgame gear sources. LFR is explicitly a means to see the story.
You can not do lfr by yourself, nor with a private group, it’s only puggable. And it has unique colors for tier. You are timegated by catalyst charges and if someone needs for a piece to complete achievements in the wow tab for completing achievements or just to look cool its just as viable as someone trying to get a few ilvl upgrades that will be obsolete next wow season. Transmog is forever. I would say rolling for ilvl in lfr is rather rare and even unreliable. Else transmog farmers would be forced to keep alts low ilvl for farming mogs every tier.
That’s your view and my view hasn’t changed after reading it, a ninja is a nija and needing for a transmog over a gear upgrade, I will continue to call them a ninja, because that’s what they are.