LFR Loot Rolling Needs a Serious Overhaul

For a while, yes.
When people who actually read the chat started progressing, it was amazing.
Figuring out strategies, teaching and seeing the team improving during a pull is huge part of the raiding experience, one that I enjoy.

Even after 10 stacks, we got it on a few pulls.
(That was on week 1 BTW. It only got easier the following weeks).

i went in on lfr to help my buddy out (she plays a mage) and I play a dh tank so when i queue for anything i get an insta pop (which is great for me). I saw a cool looking warblade xmog that dropped and i really wanted it but i saw the other demon hunter in the raid just barely go in the LFR so i just passed on it.

Kinda still kickin myself as that warglave looks wicked. Kinda wish bliz would add something that if you “pass” an item, you instantly get the xmog - that would be a huge win win!

If you want to die to bosses, just invite random people for a raid.

Don’t need Blizzard to put normal there for you.

We’ve been through this.
Queue systems enable me to do something else other than playing “declined” or wasting an hour looking for tank #2 or healer #5.

Not to mention the whole nightmare of backfilling.
It’s the reason I even stopped bothering with Rated BGs.

It’ll drop again, I’m sure. I saw two of them drop in an LFR wing yesterday…and it went to greed rolls because there wasn’t a single DH in the group…

You make all sorts of assumptions here:

  1. Higher geared players are carrying LFR
  2. Lower geared players aren’t actually playing
  3. Blizzard designed loot rolls because they care what you or I think about “what’s fair”

I would not be surprised to find another post claiming how easy LFR is and it’s a cakewalk. This is just throwing stuff at the argument to see what sticks.

What we actually know:

  1. You can roll Need for things you can equip that are beneficial to your spec in some way, but not for everything you can transmog
  2. There is a Transmog roll that exists

So rolling Need on a transmog is outside of the intended rolling guidelines based on what we can infer from the information we have. Ergo, rolling Need on a transmog breaks Wheaton’s Law.

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I would argue that showing up to lfr actually needing loot (outside of tier pieces and special items) is a violation of social norms.

Personal loot did indeed have bad luck protection.

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yeah. but does xmog lose to greed like greed loses to need?

No, it didn’t. Bosses won’t magically drop 25 items if you grouped them with the most unlucky people in the game together.

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Based on… what? Certainly not the required item level or anything that Blizzard’s given us.

We could go farther and say that playing World of Warcraft breaks social norms…

No, Need > Transmog > Greed

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Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.

If most people in LFR are like 600, and you show up at 580? you’re not pulling your weight.

thanks! so if you “win” the transmog do you get a “air” copy so you cant “sell it” or “disenchant it”? if so, why wouldnt more people just select xmog over greed??

What the heck is even this argument bro?
Do you read what you type?

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The bonus rolls were the thing that filled this void at the time. Got loot on a boss you didn’t need it from? Use bonus rolls on the following bosses.

Because Blizzard enables people to be carried in LFR, it doesn’t mean they’re not being carried since Blizzard allowed it.

It’s also why they upped the minimum ilvl requirements for TWW dungeons at level 70 since a few earthen are indeed going there at ilvl 180.

Blizzard has determination in LFR. If those people at ilvl 600 weren’t there to carry, that buff will be.

You aren’t doing anyone a service by joining their LFR runs at ilvl 600. They neither need nor appreciate your presence.

They set the ilvl that because it was play tested and decided to be the required one.
It’s not for undergeared people to get carried.

Your argument is like the following:

“This game is for ages 3 and up, 2-8 players”
*Team is almost completely filled with seasoned 30yo*
*Kid joins*
“Pull your weight, kid”

So now we need to have pre-knowledge of those people that are going to be in a … randomized queue? o_0

I’m glad I’m not the person who’s getting in hot water for not being able to read your mind.

You get the actual item, regardless of how you win it. You could just select xmog over greed and sell it - but you’re probably going to do that anyways, since you unlock the appearance and don’t need to hang on to the actual item. I know what you’re saying though, and it would make sense if Blizzard restricted xmog rolls to those who hadn’t unlocked the appearance. I’m not sure if that’s the actual case, though, as I don’t pay attention to which xmogs I have or don’t have in order to validate that.

There’s so much gear in this game. And like everyone did T8 delves since that was all there was to do.