It literally says “more,” it doesn’t say anything about justifying making raids as a whole.
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if that is true then your game is in FAR worse shape than you might want to admit.
If it simply mean more…as in ‘further’…then we have that now.
If it meant ‘more’ as in ‘additional/bigger’…well I dont see that anywhere in the game right now, so it appears to me that that interpretation means the game aint doing so well.
Subs are down, money is tight. Raiding might end up being pruned entirely if things keep getting worse. Hints at the next patch/expansion sound like that aint no promise of anything getting better.
But in CONTEXT of what Ion actually said, its pretty clear that LFR was to increase participation in raid content.
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Cool, I dislike Blood elves immensely so I don’t play them, should I start a thread for their removal too?
Or PvP even, that lost it’s thrill for me when they removed multi hour AVs, I should start another to get rid of that as a whole right, going by your responses?
It’s optional content, don’t do it. Much like I don’t make Belfs or play PvP much anymore. So many here are triggered by 3 letters, LFR. It’s a sad reality when having optional content is made out to be a boogeyman by a literal handful of people.
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One of the things which may - may - tend to distort that is the delay LFR has after other tiers open. I don’t know that to be the case but I expect it’s a factor.
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Sure
If u want.
I don’t.
It’s a sad reality you can’t comprehend the arguments behind why people think LFR makes the game as a whole worse. Can’t really have a conversation about it if you can’t understand the argument at hand.
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but taking the entire quote as a whole the first thing that jumps out is the desire for more participation.
his argument is that few saw Boss X, but many saw Boss Y.
Obviously he mentions that MoP apparently offered more bosses and larger raids, but I dont think that necessarily dictates that he was not implying that ‘more’ also means ‘further’.
If he ONLY meant ‘larger/additional’ then something is horribly wrong in Liddsville currently.
You feel it takes away from players apping your guilds. K we don’t have that problem in mine, we run heroics weekly and dabble in Mythics, and even with Classic release we still didn’t have a problem. Possibly because we actually help members rather than talk down to them as so many in this thread have.
Next argument, it caters to the lowest common denominator of players, and they shouldn’t be able to see all the content I do because I am hardcore. Again your opinion, so what if they complete it on an easier mode? You get the achievements showing you did it ahead of everyone else.
Care to point out others? I’ve argued against the common ones here.
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More participation to justify more raid content in the form of making them more expansive and elaborate. They used LFR, and yes increased participation, as reasoning to really expand on what they were doing when it came to raids. There is a major shift between Cataclysm and Mists when it comes to raiding as a result.
surprise gaiazhel once again being the white warrior when it comes down to LFR
LFR is just sad and has actually no real place in WoW but whatever.
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Ive seen your arguments in here.
Ive read hundreds of posts from the time LFR was new.
There are no RATIONAL arguments against it from anything Ive seen.
It all comes down to “I hate LFR”
If its about gear dropping which is ALWAYS a staple of these hate threads, then sorry but QUESTING is a far greater offender…so it cant be that.
If its about LFR being too easy…well you dont really have to play it much, if at all, so thats not really an argument to remove it.
If its about TF, etc…thats another issue altogether.
Ive yet to see anything that makes me personally think its anything more than some streamer cried about LFR and a few folks got on the bandwagon
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Normal is just sad and has actually no real place in WoW but whatever.
-your friendly neighborhood mythic player
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Normal is fine as Heroic and Mythic is but LFR is just an insulting mode to the player base. and you probably know my stance on that and won’t be able to change it once again.
The end.
Please do clarify how it is insulting? I am waiting eagerly to read your response.
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I think we ALL know each others stance at this point, no matter how many characters we’re all posting on in here to voice it.
so why even keep the hate going?
you play your game, we’ll play ours
Lol wut?
Another swing and a miss.
LFR is toxic because it promotes apathy. It doesn’t cator to the lowest common denominator, it fosters an environment that breeds bad lazy players.
Bad lazy players are fickle, they buy the “xpac” hit level cap, queue for the raid, kill the big bad, and move on to the next game.
There is no reason for them to “get good”.
There is no reason for them to talk to people or make friends. LFR is great for old people who have been playing the game for 15 years, but terrible for new faces picking up WoW for the first time.
There is a reason in modern expansions subs spike at release and then dwindle. It wasn’t like this in wrath. The draw of a MMORPG is the social experience.
LFR acts in direct conflict with that.
This isn’t an argument, it just does. If you want to weigh the pros and cons (LFR does have its benefits), then you can have an actual discussion. Anyone who adopts the “I don’t see why people hate content that they don’t have to do blah blah blah” doesn’t understand the argument they are participating in and isn’t really worth engaging with.
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By Blizzard offering a mode beyond kindergarten thinking us “feel free to take yourself out” Players can’t take any challenge at all and having to cook during an boss fight.
So lets assume the game is doing fine at this point.
IF there are ‘more’ raid bosses, as mentioned about MoP in Ions quote…and IF LFR ‘justifies’ being able to do that…can we now assume some in here dont want ‘more’ raid content since if LFR is helping ‘justify’ its creation yet theyre demanding LFR be removed?
Seriously having trouble with the lack of logic in all of this.
I can’t speak on the reasons why others want LFR removed, that’s all on them.
How is this even consistent? Heroic is an easier version of Mythic, but that’s cool. Normal is an easier version of Heroic, but that’s cool. LFR is an easier version of Normal but that’s WAIT THAT’S CANCER.
The big difference between LFR and the rest is the queue. Now that may be significant, I could see that argument. But “easier is bad” is just arguing that only Mythic should exist.
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Again…QUESTING is FAR more reliable for gearing and if we’re talking strictly about ease of play, why keep yourself agitated about someone else choosing to play easy mode? it doesnt affect YOUR game unless YOU let it.