LFR is not getting removed. Get over it already

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

No LFR, No Raids.

They wouldn’t outright stop developing raids, but they would scale back funding quite a bit.

[Emerníum-dawnbringer (Emerníum)]

If they cater to elistist players long enough we will absolutely live to see this.

I think games having a hard mode as an option is valuable, but by the very nature of an mmo needing a large and active playerbase to survive we cannot cater heavily to it.
Or we end up Wildstar. :^)

[Nayaga-lightbringer (Nayaga)]

My advice. Save comparing yourself to others to activities that actually freaking matter. Not a 15 year old video game. The sole metric of success in WOW is amount of fun per dollar spent.

10/10 couldn’t agree more.

[Sarondil-windrunner]

I…stand corrected. Make it happen Blizz!

[Felonious-kaelthas (Felonious)]

It’s a detriment to the raiding scene. Now it’s been around too long for them to do anything about it.

No, it’s not. During Classic-Wrath, huge chunks of the population didn’t raid. Even though there wasn’t a ‘tourist mode’ that offered watered-down gear, people still didn’t raid. So those people you seem to think were driven to raid, weren’t. They weren’t seeking out raiding guilds, and weren’t really part of the recruiting pool.

It offers no incentive to see the harder difficulties, other than higher numbers at a chance at a mount, hence the players are permanently in that “LFR” mindset, that they are skilled enough and don’t personally need to improve.

Why do you care? If a person wants to spend more time collecting pets, mounts or maxing out every profession across several toons, and doing the odd LFR run, and they’re content with that, why is it any of your business?

I miss when you got to see a new raid, but you earned it. Attunements, gearing up though dungeons and heroics, I feel like that is all gone in favor for stupid the simple queue-up tourist mode.

You mean back when a tiny fraction of the population saw the content, and led Blizzard to question whether spending resources on content most people didn’t see was a sound business model?

Hence I am playing classic, where there’s only one universal difficulty. And not everyone likes it, but to each their own.

Well, that’s good. I mean, enjoy earning access to raiding that’s far easier than anything retail has to offer, I guess.

[Amayna-garona (Amayna)]

I come from a time before LFR. Back then, Normal was the only difficulty. There was a hardmode sometimes, but you had to do Normal first and get geared.

You could not instantly queue and find yourself in the raid. You had to fill the group, and everyone would run and summon over.

All mechanics were present. Don’t stand in the fire. You looked up what the bosses did on WoWHead, watched some videos.

Then you practiced, maybe a few wipes, maybe many wipes! But you prevailed, and the boss died. And your group or guild cheered.

And the best part, is this is how the game was played. Everyone did this, because it was the only way to see the raid.

And during Cata, this is exactly why raiding guilds we’re dying out! … LFR came in and saved the day! Saved WoW, Saved Gaming!!!

[Hoofer-skeram]

For a 15-year old game, I can say it’s great. We just got our first content drop.

As for retail, well, I hope you enjoy NeW CoRrUPTeD gear (So cool!) and 1-shotting N’zoth with your glowing uber-necklace.

Ahahaha

[Byucknah-agamaggan (Byucknah)]

Indeed, and Vanilla Servers will never be a thing.

Never say never. If the desire is shown, if the voice rings loud and clear enough from the larger group, then anything is possible.

Its time to make it crystal clear why.

The vast majority of the servers are crazy dead.

… How does that have anything to do with LFR? You can do Normal and Heroic raids and all dungeon content cross server without LFR/LFD with tools like the Group Finder helping to form said groups.

Those friends of mine have to play at non peak times because their job schedule is late in the day and during night. LFR is the only way for them to actually raid and remember this is the 12th most populated server. I can only imagine how low the player base is with the other 100 servers below it.

No, no it is not. Again, as just mentioned above, Group Finder exists and those people can use that tool to form groups for Normal and Heroic content, even Mythic Content once the Guild Hall of Fame has been reached for both factions.

If blizzard removes LFR, then they have to stop making raid content as very few people raid as it is, and if they do continue to make raid content, then they have to merge a very huge number of servers to make up for removing it, that means people will lose their names, guilds, server culture and server identity, causing a significant player loss that that the game as never seen. It will slump down as low as everquest 2 pretty much.

No, this is entirely baseless, and I mean baseless, speculation on your part. Especially baseless with talking population and commenting on Everquest 2 considering there exists no accurate and trustworthy sorceable statistics outside of assumption and educated guesses.

And again, LFR is not the only cross realm raid content. Normal and Heroic are easily puggable and often groups for this content are formed even on day 1 of a new raid. To say that LFR is the only option because you are on a realm of questionable population is just flat wrong with options like group finder.

If the anti LFR crowd still insists on hating on LFR, then classic is your last option.

No, you don’t get to dictate as you keep trying to do. You are entitled to your opinion of why you think LFR is good just as people are entitled to express their desires and opinions on why they want LFR removed.

Telling them that if they disagree with all the above their only choice is to go to Classic is absurd and makes no sense at all. Just because someone hates LFR does not mean they like Classic. Those two things are not inclusive to each other.

Nothing is going to change in retail wow LFR without alienating its whole player base.

Again, baseless assumptions that are obviously false and hyperbolic considering how many anti-LFR threads appear. Clearly not the “whole” player base want’s LFR otherwise these points of discussion and feedback would not keep popping up on these forums, fansite forums, ect.

[Astronomer-muradin]

Oh lordy, so salty in here.

[Felonious-kaelthas (Felonious)]

Normal and Heroic are easily puggable and often groups for this content are formed even on day 1 of a new raid. To say that LFR is the only option because you are on a realm of questionable population is just flat wrong with options like group finder.

Easily puggable? Please. The content might be easy enough to pug, but dealing with the clowns putting the groups together isn’t. Even pugging content that has been out for a while now isn’t ‘easy’. Oftentimes you have to deal with people who want AotC achievements, or tack a much higher gear/RaiderIO requirement than is necessary on to what should be doable content.

No, you don’t get to dictate as you keep trying to do. You are entitled to your opinion of why you think LFR is good just as people are entitled to express their desires and opinions on why they want LFR removed.

Except that pro-LFR comments aren’t trying to take something away from the anti-LFR crowd. Many people who run LFR, for whatever reason, may not run Normal+. It really doesn’t matter why they don’t run Normal+, and has zero impact on regular raiders. LFR is their endgame, and the anti-LFR crowd seeks to end that.

Again, baseless assumptions that are obviously false and hyperbolic considering how many anti-LFR threads appear. Clearly not the “whole” player base want’s LFR otherwise these points of discussion and feedback would not keep popping up on these forums, fansite forums, ect.

A huge portion of the playerbase would be alienated. They’re not ‘points of discussion’, they’re mostly trolls on alt profiles or Classic accounts stirring up crap. Anyone who thinks there is something to be gained by removing an aspect of the game that has zero impact on them needs their head examined.

[Daladoren-drakthul (Daladoren)]

If the armor and weapon sets that drop look good then yay for LFR. Otherwise, meh.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

Few people raid because people are queueing for LFR, beating the content, not making friends, then quitting.

Any source for this? Any source at all?

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

Shock and alarm.

Some people that play a recreational casual MMO, prefer the easy mode just because they want to do it.

It’s a shame LFR is such a black hole it literally forces everyone to queue up for it, and forces people to do it every single week…

Wait… no it doesn’t…

So why are people upset? Oh yeah, entitlement, them wanting to remove something someone likes, because they personally don’t like it, and think their personal feelings should trump everyone else’s fun.

[Byucknah-agamaggan (Byucknah)]

The hypocrisy is palpable coming from the person who has tried to re-define what social is in other threads because they don’t want to have to be social in a genre that is literally build upon being social.

[Monus-illidan]

wow had its most subs without this casual garbage in it.

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

So why are people upset? Oh yeah, entitlement, them wanting to remove something someone likes, because they personally don’t like it, and think their personal feelings should trump everyone else’s fun.

That’s not what entitlement is.

[Felonious-kaelthas (Felonious)]

It had it’s most subs because it was still on the story line that started in the RTS, and was a relatively new game. Not to mention the next biggest contending MMO was what? EQ?

[Amayna-garona (Amayna)]

wow had its most subs without this casual garbage in it.

WoW was declining before LFR was implemented

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

It is 100% a form of entitlement.

If you believe your personal opinion should override other peoples enjoyment of something, and that’s something you don’t need to participate in, and doesn’t directly effect you?

That’s totally you feeling entitled.

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

You must have mistakenly replied to me, as I’ve never attempted to redefine what being social is.