I’ve addressed your points before, and find your points lacking in any substance besides personal bias against a system you don’t personally think is hard enough, and your seemingly pointless war to have it removed despite other people enjoying it, because it doesn’t fit your personal beliefs on what should and should not exist in the game.
Going over it again and again in so many different threads is pointless.
Some people have fun in whatever ways they want, it’s not up to you to dictate how people do and do not have fun.
If you don’t like LFR, then don’t play it. It’s really that simple.
No it’s a raid simulator. I think of mythic as flying a f-16 while lfr as using an old joystick from the 90s to play x-wing/tie fighter. Just bit the same.
Now that I think of it, I do kinda miss that game.
Who cares if it is or isn’t? Seriously, people are complaining about an aspect of the game they don’t have to play. Chances are, if LFR were deleted, some of those ‘low-skill, anti-social’ types the anti-LFR crowd likes to deride would end up in the ‘real’ raids, and they’d complain about that. Be glad that LFR exists, and the recruitment pool for Normal+ raiding isn’t muddied with people who for various reasons shouldn’t be raiding.
Wow, talk about a false equivalance to the extreme.
“Some people have fun playing an easy mode in a video game.”
“Yeah, well some people enjoy killing other people for fun to, we don’t advocate for that!”
I can’t believe you actually tried to use that in your argument. THat’s ridiculous.
Also, your points are ridiculous. Your personal idea of what should and shouldn’t be in the game, and what level of difficulty should and should not be acceptable, are not gospel, nor fact. Get over yourself.
If people enjoy LFR, then let them play LFR. It has literally zero bearing on you. You’re just agitating to agitate at this point.
eh…no.
Im looking at the timeline of subs right now friend
The subs started dropping in early 2011.
LFR shows as being added very late that year AFTER the subs had alread dropped dramatically.
Sorry but the EVIDENCE says that the expansion content itself was the cause…not LFR.
I have a hunch that there are a group of new players who try lfr, enjoy it, and want more so they go to higher level difficulties. But I also believe that there is a large group of people who wouldn’t raid at all if lfr was taken away.
yeah…Im looking at the timeline on my other monitor right now.
Subs started dropping in the millions before LFR apparently came out later that year.
Funny thing is they were pretty good thru wrath…then nearly immediatley when Cata was live they start nose diving.
Well before LFR based on the dates Im looking at.
Looks like maybe 2 to 2.5 million subs lost before LFR was around
The thing about pointing to LFR/LFD and saying “This is what’s wrong and is ruining the game” is:
It never took away anyone’s ability to form their own groups and run whatever they wanted. Ever. No one was ever forced to use LFR or LFD.
It seems that large swaths of players preferred convenience and automation over whatever was being offered by groups/communities before that, even if it meant kerfluffles with rando jerks and what-have-you.
That’s not really a design problem. It’s a people thing. If Blizz had never implemented it, I imagine lots of people would have migrated to other games that do feature it, especially now when WoW isn’t the only MMO out there.
It didn’t ruin your raid group or community, it just exposed what cracks were already there. If everyone left, preferring the new system, you weren’t working enough at making staying attractive. Why, it’s almost as though some people feel entitled to a community, just for showing up, without really working at making it better than the alternative- and here I thought you guys were against participation trophies.
Honestly, aside from elitist whining, there isn’t an argument to remove LFR. Some people may progress to Normal+ raiding, others don’t. And yeah, some wouldn’t raid at all if LFR were removed.
