LFR is DEAD! : afk, auto follow & auto attack players. 😴

[Felsavior-zuljin (Felsavior)]

Every time I queue to LFR people always going AFK or 40% of the players just spamming 1 ability.

Never actually happens 90% of the time and when it does they are promptly cought and kicked or its 1/25 people.

So no. Lfr isnt “dead” and it isnt full of afk players auto attacking.

[Charn-detheroc]

AFK people generally get kicked pretty quick in any LFR I’ve been in and that is a lot of them. You might get 1 or 2 people auto-attacking but not nearly 40%. There are times that that a group will wipe 4 or 5 times on a new boss.

So why are you exaggerating to make LFR look worse that it actually is?

[Crakbirt-moonrunner]

So glad your anecdotal experience is what everyone experiences.

Here’s mine:
1 ) Every LFR on my alts has been smooth, with only a few wipes at the beginning of the tier.
2) People in my LFR groups are actually trying, and if they afk/auto they are called out and kicked (kind of like in ALL group content)

If there was only SOME WAY to not do LFR… Like make your own raid group and try Normal with your 440+ Gear and “Cutting Edge” EP achievement requirement.

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

Well, I personally believe the LFG tool is -objectively- better than trying to pug a group using just chat channels, and waiting around kicking rocks.

Your entitled to your opinion, however having literally been going through classic as we speak, I can only cement my opinion that the LFG tool is to excessive degrees better than anything classic has offered.

There is quite literally in my personal opinion, not even a contest between the two.

[Sphinctus-bleeding-hollow (Sphinctus)]

cause you can basically 4 man this content. 4 people paying attention and the rest of the raid half afk or pressing 1 button kills the boss. This is the fault the game though, as nothing leveling 1-120 prepares you to actually play the game correctly. you press 1 button leveling 1-120. You do a dungeon pressing 1 button, you beat the dungeon. Some people would assume they are doing something right. They join LFR. they press 1 button. Boss dies, they get epics. Wooo they think they are doing something right. Then they join mythic plus and they find out that the last 60 hours of gameplay has done nothing to tell them how to actually play the game. It just hands them rewards for no effort. That is what is wrong with LFR.

wooo. engaging content.

[Charn-detheroc]

cause you can basically 4 man this content.

Lol BS /10char

[Xvim-spinebreaker]

And I as a casual an totally down for a single player mode (bring some npcs heroes if I wanted to heal them instead of dps etc) just for the story mode. Heck I don’t even need good gear just make it a cool looking transmog (cooler/more detailed than your average crafted green or drop) and that would be chill.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

And I have literally never seen this in LFR. Smells like bait and hyperbole.

Lol. I have. How can a group of 400’s only do 3K dps? Its pretty obvious what some people are doing in LFR. Sometimes its a small minority so you do not notice. But if you tank these its pretty easy to notice, especially if you get the unlucky draw of a large group doing this. You should be thankful you have not seen this.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Because I’m currently playing Classic and know exactly how bloody awful getting a group together is.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

As far as I’m concerned, Classic doesn’t exist.

I see zero reason to subject myself to an inferior product, that is 15 years old, when I’ve no desire to do so.

Sure there are older games I would enjoy playing, but Vanilla wow is -not- one of them.

Uh…

[Turnberry-illidan (Turnberry)]

AFK people generally get kicked pretty quick in any LFR I’ve been in and that is a lot of them. You might get 1 or 2 people auto-attacking but not nearly 40%. There are times that that a group will wipe 4 or 5 times on a new boss.

I posted an LFR log from my alt a couple weeks ago. For player activity, meaning how often you used your globals on cd when available, my group averaged around 70%. There were 5-6 players at 98% or higher, and 4-5 players under 40%. Also there was 1-2 people who would intentionally die at the start and not accept a rez. So on average, my group was not pressing any buttons for 30% of the fight, and we easily 1 shot every boss.

Compare this to my heroic log from last night where every person in the raid was above 96%. So yeah, a good LFR group that 1 shots every boss is on average afk for almost a third of every fight.

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

Yep. That was a while ago.

And I eventually caved due to friends asking me to play with them.

Your point? People’s minds change.

My opinion of classic hasn’t changed much.

[Sinkasumi-thrall (Sinkasumi)]

I’ve done LFR in both WoW and FF14. It’s like Night and Day between the two. FF14 can still be rough in some raids, but people seem more willing to explain mechanics.

I’ve always had a hard time figuring out why it works out so much better in 14 than in WoW. But I’m not going monologue about it here.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Vanilla leveling is even more brain dead than BFA.

At least in BFA you can level via Dungeons, QUesting, Player vs Player, ect, to break up the monotony

In Classic, you just run around the map, spamming your main spells at mobs till they fall over and die, and you then have to stop what your doing for 10+ seconds to drink to refill your mana.

[Michroyal-moon-guard (Michroyal)]

Why is it that people who make these sort of complaints queue into LFR? If you hate it so much and think it’s longer and tedious, then gear up the traditional way through dungeons and build a group for normal. There’s even now the Nazjatar gear you can use your pearls to acquire and boost your item level. Tons of options.

[Khlorós-moon-guard (Khlorós)]

Because it’s zero effort rewards, it’s the same thing with warfronts. I’d you give people rewards for doing nothing, surprise surprise, they will do nothing because they still get free welfare epics.

[Turnberry-illidan (Turnberry)]

I’ve always had a hard time figuring out why it works out so much better in 14 than in WoW. But I’m not going monologue about it here.

Definitely the smaller group size. It’s so easy to go unnoticed among 24 other people, especially when LFR is tuned for a group size of about 15. When there are only 8 in the group, every person is easily noticeable and you can’t really hide. I think LFR would be a lot better as a 10 man, but the queue times would be horrible.

[Charn-detheroc]

While comparing the Heroic group to the LFR group you were in, did you compare item enchants and gems? Gear ilevel?

The real question is why did you go to this effort to make the comparison? Who do you think will care enough to act on your anecdotal evidence?

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

OKay, the first one I sort of understood what you were trying to point out I once said I didn’t want to play classic.

This time i’m not sure what your trying to allude to?

This has nothing to do with me preferring the LFG tool over spamming chat channels trying to find people.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

Just find it amusing you were railing against Classic, even only a few days ago, and suddenly you are playing it.

[Byucknah-agamaggan (Byucknah)]

Personally, I think your opinion stinks.

But I have applied the deodorant, is it not working?

Dungeons are not social activities. (Except in the circumstances in which you before hand state it’s a social thing, like in an RP guild, then you can probably call it a social activity.)

… Are you serious with this one? Yes, yes they absolutely are. Anything in which you play with other players are inherently a social experience. The problem is that Blizzard has automated so many systems to try and make them not social experiences that they have hindered the experiences as a whole.

They are instanced content that simply requires a group to do.

… That is literally a social experience. You can’t just try and re-define what a social experience is.

spending 30-60 minutes trying to get a group together to do a 30-40 minute dungeon, is ridiculous.

Again, you are falling back to “convenience” here. This seems to be the primary focus of your arguments, the convenience of how quickly it takes to get into content without any regard to how it impacts the actual experience.

The only reason I want to do this dungeon is because I want something out of it. Or I want experience, or I’m just looking to do a dungeon.

That is a motivator, its legit why most people do dungeons, raids, world quests, ect… I doubt there are many people doing dungeons just for the fun of it. Those people certainly do exist but they are far and few between.

Not really a reason on why LFG, LFR, and Group Finder should or should not exist.

If I wanted to be social, I’d go to an RP gathering.

I’ve had social dungeons. Sure, but those were before hand understood to be social dungeons, usually dungeons with my RP guild clearing out an area.

Also, I’m not leaving my RP guild that I like, but is inconsistent with dungeons (Because ya know, RP guilds have different priorities) to get -slightly- faster groups together.

RP is not all encompassing. Socialization is not a branch off of RP. The fact that you keep comparing socialization to RP is really weird to me. Yes, RP is a social activity but that’s not defining of what it is to be social in a game experience. They are two entirely different things like comparing apples to oranges…

Just being in a guild doesn’t gaurentee people are around, or actually want to do what your trying to do.

Then you are in the wrong guild… You already stated you are in an RP guild, so surprise surprise their focus is? RP.

Not to mention guilds are not the ONLY avenue for finding groups now thanks to the addition of Communities in BFA. There exist multiple communities for different group content.

I can understand wanting a community aspect to the game back, but I don’t consider adding extreme wait times to wanting to get dungeon quests done, nearly worth what you seem to want.

Because you want instant gratification. Its not an insult my saying that either, its fact. All your actual arguments all lead back to you wanting everything done instantly, not caring about the experience. You want in a group immediately, you want your quests done asap, you want instant gratification and while I can understand that viewpoint I, again, argue that its harmful to the game.