Lfr is bad for the game

[Leilani-wyrmrest-accord]

They miss the community that actually cares about working together.

Make a server Discord. Foster that community. Be the change you want to see.

[Sinistrë-area-52 (Sinistrë)]

Agreed, I’m tired of playing with face pulling buttclowns with no idea how to play the game, for a lack of better words.

Jk I dont LFR. That’s like going to a sick house and wondering how you caught TB.

[Odinmar-eldrethalas (Odinmar)]

face pulling buttclowns

for a lack of better words

I see no lack for better words…

[Dwokin-stormrage]

Lol that is what youtube is for.

[Esdeathx-area-52]

Again with the personal reasons.
I merely invited for people to prove why LFR is healthy for the game with objective arguments. You’ve said nothing that holds water and told me I have no say in the matter. In fact I do,just like you have. If you would take a moment to stop being so triggered, you’d maybe understand that I’m asking for a logical and sound debate, not trying to push my ideology and narrative on you like you are.
Also this is my main, I’ve done mostly LFR since the end of WoD on my warrior and came back in Broken Shore patch in Legion, in which I did LFR again on the DH and warrior. I raided heroic casually in MoP until mythic was introduced and my raid team(as many others) fell apart at the start of WoD. Personally the mythic change is as questionable as LFR and up for debate.
I don’t raid anymore because I have no desire to do so,because LFR is there. I get to do see the endgame and log off until new meaningful content is put in the game. So I’m not subbed all the time(and I don’t now how many people feel the same,but those that I’ve interacted with before feel similar). I think that is also an issue with the game.
And I would like to ask you to post on your main as well,since you seem to want to armory snipe.
Also you don’t get to tell me if I have a say in it or not, you’re just a nobody on the internet like me.

[Midlight-spirestone (Midlight)]

What a new and exciting topic of discussion.

[Esdeathx-area-52]

You’re asking for human beings to change their attitude and be nice. Reality check: people are good and bad. Stop asking for people to treat you like special vip.

[Leilani-wyrmrest-accord]

I shift the onus to those who assert it causes harm.

[Esdeathx-area-52]

Was wrath a perfect storm? Probably.
But that didn’t mean sub numbers would go down.
Also if you claim I don’t have numbers,that means you’re insinuating that my argument is invalid.
It’s perfectly reasonable to call you out on that.
You’re speculating just as much as I am.

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

Also if you claim I don’t have numbers,that means you’re insinuating that my argument is invalid.

You don’t have numbers though. There’s no numbers that exist that prove your claim that LFR is why subs are down. So yes you’re entire argument is invalid

[Kwashiorkor-stormrage (Kwashiorkor)]

It’s just a gear step. The game could easily do just fine with a normal mode dungeon to gear up for a single raid difficulty(which would be hard). All these difficulty sliders add nothing to the game.

What’s even the point of heroic mode dungeons let alone normal dungeons at max level? They’re completely pointless. In this case something like the war front easily replaces a dungeon, even world quest rewards. Maybe it’s time to just phase out dungeons. They’re barely even good for leveling as it stands right now, good job on that blizzard.

[Provemewrong-uldum]

Commercial time kiddies!

with Elmo! and Big Bird!

Look how mad Big Bird is without being able to fly to these raids! Now it’s just a que and a warp!

Awwww… poor Big Bird

[Odinmar-eldrethalas (Odinmar)]

What’s even the point of heroic mode dungeons let alone normal dungeons at max level? They’re completely pointless.

At this point they’re a placeholder until a later patch adds some sort of currency in exchange for your first heroic random LFD completion for the day. They only play a role in the first month or two of an expac and then play a catchup role a little later on.

At least that’s been the pattern since Wrath.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

I’d rather do away with Mythic and LFR.

[Odinmar-eldrethalas (Odinmar)]

This again? How many new threads do we need on this same topic? LFR is not bad for the game. It provides people a way to do something in game that they would otherwise not bother doing at all.

So does making anti-LFR threads in GD, apparently. Without LFR, there would be no reason to make anti-LFR threads in GD so two groups of people would be denied!

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

How can’t sub numbers go down with time?

Do you think WoW subs will still be growing in 100 years? 50? 20? 10?

[Esdeathx-area-52]

Quote me where I said LFR is the ONLY reason the subs are down.
I said in general the trend of the outlets of the game(effectively the best way of advertising) have been on a solid decline since these artifical “see other people” features have been introduced.
When I said subs, I meant the general population(the playerbase),not the actual numerical value of sub numbers. Perhaps that is where you’re misunderstanding.

[Esdeathx-area-52]

Obviously they can, but to continually decrease and in a drastic fashion at that,while only spiking with expansion launches and being inconsistent throughout is a sign there’s a problem.

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

And even if LFR is not bad for the game,it’s certainly a cause for player decline

I’m going to assume you switched toons based on your replies earlier

[Fùry-stormrage (Fùry)]

Yeah I level locked to 119 on all my toons and have been ignoring bfa pretty much so thanks for the correction been gathering most of my knowledge of the gear tiers from gd threads for the most part. Whenever the new raid comes out I’ll probably gear up finally