transmog and enchanting materials and the gold that you get from the vendor, ther I gave you 3 reasons, are those reason morally correct? maybe no but if the game let you do it, then you can do it
I also would just like to say .
I have ran LFR every week when all raids were up at end of xpac (on 7-8 alts too lol) and sometimes GOT ZERO LOOT after all bosses were down.
It happens…
Same with world bosses.
Same with M0
Same with Heroic Raids…
If you want guaranteed loot, Go do a delve.
That was LFR kel thuzad first weeks out. I walked into some massive crap shows there.
I’d see the omg stacking of determination. Oh, I just pulled a cluster didn’t I?
Lets try using that determination to kill the adds better. since an add fight.
Nah…
Gee we wiped, shocking.
Noob/low gear Determination didn’t fix sylvanas either. It was the normal+'s now uber from determination who killed her when lemmings cliff dove off the platforms. Again…
Noob/low gear determination users jsut fell off the edge lol. They were no dps at all.
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The age old question that keeps coming up week after week… where Blizzard stays completely silent, doesn’t fix anything, and people keep getting mad at each other.
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I don’t know if it’s just me but I’ve genuinely never won an item ever, at all, by rolling transmog. You might as well pass than roll transmog. I don’t think literally anyone rolls transmog for transmog.
I would much rather have personal loot again, and I’ve always wanted it back in LFR ever since they changed it.
My transmog trumps your ilvl!!! I need to look gooooood!
Back in your day you would have entire realms coming together to believe whoever was the most popular at the time, and harass anyone said popular person decided to make the enemy of everyone on a realm.
Let’s not go back to a time when harassment was regarded as socially acceptable despite the ToS stating it wasn’t.
Oh yes, much better now when hordes of bots can spam report someone until they are banned and Blizzard’s own bot army does nothing to help!
Don’t bring the harassment card now that this game has nearly zero human moderation going around.
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classes have multiple specs and some have even multiple roles.
you have no way of knowing that
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This quite literally doesn’t happen.
Just because you rephrased your trolling misinformation doesn’t mean folks don’t know what you are saying. No the moderation isn’t automated, no matter however many streamers who make money off of pretending (or are genuinely stupid enough) to believe WoW’s moderation is automated - it still isn’t.
I know of plenty of people who roll Need and say: I need the Disenchanting mats…
I mean it technically is a justification…
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here’s an idea i pulled out of my butt just now: multiple rolls per player per piece of loot
basically each item gets its own window and you can opt in to rolling on different categories for the same piece
roll categories are upgrade, transmog, disenchant, and vendor
if the item is a higher item level than your currently-equipped piece in that slot OR lower item level but a track upgrade (veteran > adventurer, for example), you may roll upgrade
if the item has an appearance that you do not have unlocked yet, you may roll transmog
if the character you are currently playing currently knows enchanting for the current expansion, you may roll disenchant
if you just want some extra gold from the boss, you may roll vendor
rolls happen in that order and if you win in a category, your rolls for the remainder of the categories become 0s
so whoever rolls upgrade and wins gets the item itself, and can then equip it. or DE/vendor it or whatever, but idk why they’d do that considering they can’t roll upgrade unless it’s an actual upgrade.
and then the winner of the actual upgrade has all their other rolls changed to 0s and then the transmog roll happens. whoever wins it gets the appearance unlock and then has all their other rolls changed to 0s. then the DE roll happens, the winner gets enchanting mats and has their vendor roll changed to a 0, and then the vendor roll happens and the winner gets gold equal to the vendor price of the loot
is it more complicated than just pressing need on everything and hoping for the best? yeah, but in the long run it’s probably more fair than the current system and whatever else blizzard might be cooking up
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For LFR it make sense. It was the fairest system. RNG said you all get 1/25 chance. About a good a deal as any relatively speeking.
With a better chance at random acts of kindness. In SL I ran lfr for quests, memories, vault hit for giggles, etc. Decked out pvp gear I had was better.
So I traded my hits a lot. Did I keep some for mog? yes. I took my 1/25 chance just like everyone else did.
Players needing gear…have pvp as an option. Retail even has versatility. Its not a throwaway stat like resilience in old wow for pve.
no. wrong… “enchanter, moggs , etc”. are supposed to be secondary and need for actual use should be primary. go farm your own mats not steal from someone that needs it … its narcissistic and disgusting. if your logic is how its supposed to be … then why do bosses not drop goods for other professions… so …ugh
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Quite a few people who do this would simply counter with the inane argument: Learn to win your rolls better… Which is completely nonsensical…
wow stopped loading raid and dungeon with rock/plant nodes way back. It was spammed. reset and mine. Same for the clothe drops. Instances had this flow like water.
skinning has been complained about. Now you have dudes skinning and holding up the process. also skining has more than enough open world faucets. Go find the hot WQ spots. Dead animals for days!
in both versions of wow…dailies on my skinner have taken well over an hour. Dudes keep on dropping animals…I’ll skin them if they won’t/can’t.
This community is such trash nowadays lmao. I can’t believe people are actually out here defending rolling need for transmog over someone it’s an upgrade for.
Weird.
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That is not the purpose of the need button, it has NEVER been the purpose of the need button (because then NO ONE gets gear if an enchanter constantly rolls need), and Blizzard agrees with that assessment as they literally had to change loot rules and add buttons for disenchanting/mog rolls.
Zogg, that SHOULDN’T be something someone can do at this point. If you have a higher item level item so much as even in your bag or bank, you get locked out from rolling need on it.
However, this all changes considering that Valorstones and item upgrades are a thing.
While the equipped gear might have been 10 item levels higher, the actual upgrade track is what actually came into play as I can confirm that I’ve had the option to roll need on such items in Amirdrassil last expansion despite my equipped gear at the time being “higher” in level than what was technically dropping.
Prime example: let’s say I’m wearing plate legs on the Explorer track that are fully upgraded and ilvl 580. A piece of Adventurer gear drops at 571. While technically “lower” on the initial stats, Adventurer gear is upgradable to 593. While it doesn’t start off higher, the gear would in fact be an upgrade once you use enough Valorstones and/or Crests on it.
Think about it bro: if it didn’t work in that manner, then a player would never be able to upgrade and replace their fully upgraded Normal gear from Nerub-ar Palace as the Hero gear technically starts lower than a fully upgraded Champion piece. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe it’s 619 Champion with full 8/8 upgrades versus 610 Hero 1/6 as the initial drop. Same with LFR>Normal (606 fully upgraded LFR versus 597 starting for Normal)
With all that said, yeah the guy was a scumbag. System is technically working as intended as they could roll need on the item, but in that manner it is still easily exploitable for that sort of nonsense.
At the very least, take comfort in the fact that the moron gimped himself by selling an actual upgrade for a pittance of gold.
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I think people are jumping to some crazy conclusions.
Its not a moral or ethical thing, its not a PL vs GL thing, its not a Transmog vs upgrade thing…
Guy probably had lower tier piece maxed out and got a piece on a higher upgrade track. Its week 1 LFR, people are going to be needing on gear thst drops. Players gavent farmed it yet to the point of not needing things.
Explorer upgraded to Veterans track or sonething like that.
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If you make it so ilvl > transmog roll, all the high level moggers don’t bother with lfr, the raid is much harder, and everyone else in there with you actually does need the item. Either way your chances of winning loot are the same (probably lower actually because the mog people won’t roll for things like jewelry or trinkets), it just takes longer.
I personally stay out of lfr because I’d only be going for mog, but I don’t nitpick when it comes to who wins what for which reason. You were both there, you both contributed, you both get a fair shot at loot. Why should the other player be punished because they put in more work than you beforehand?
If I’m slogging through that boring LFR content, you better believe I’m needing on every single item I possibly can even if I have no use for it.
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