but then that demographic would never get better.
indeed, Blizzard would have to be willing to do something about people not making proper use of the rolling systems. It would likely fall under the clause of “spirit of the game” as it clearly isn’t intended if a transmog button exists for people to roll need for transmog and it does diminish other players experience.
Crazy as it sounds, there it is. It is for sure ‘an’ end game. Not the only one, but there.
Oh, that’s harsh. And as an argument it is internally incongruent. It’s the logical equal to simply calling people poopy heads. I mean I guess I suppose that they really are poopy heads, but nothing your saying would convince me one way or the other.
That should be the end right there. It is LFR so if you’re looking for some grace from fellow players, try a guild.
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The answer is simple, because he can. If one can click “need”, then it is his right to do so.
Correct rule for LFR roll:
- Always “Need” if it is available
- Click “Transmog/Greed” only when you can’t “Need”
- Never “Pass” (only “Pass” when you misclick it)
- Ignore any whisper
PS: GL is stupid and PL should be back. Rolling after each boss is a waste of time.
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Queued Content isn’t designed to push people. It’s designed to have more or less a 100% success rate.
I actually think Blizzard sees this as a “player issue” the same way they see vote kicks. If you get a vote passed to kick, the motive is irrelevant. If you are permitted to roll need, and you get the item, the motive is irrelevant. I think that’s how they see it – they don’t want to get into intention.
So … the only “fix” would be a hardcoded one that restricts need rolls to people for whom it would be an upgrade, which would shunt everyone else into the next priority down.
I like ventorath’s idea of creating an appearance-only roll reward, but as others have said, if that’s a more competitive roll, numerically, people will still roll need. Only way around that is to block them from doing so by restricting the roll.
Honestly I don’t see Blizzard doing that, because they never have done it (personal loot is a completely different approach).
this has come back because blizzard loves catering to the toxic community that is within the game. personal loot was working perfectly fine until the 0.01% started complaining and only god knows why they kowtow’d to them.
they even almost brought back masterloot for all content and said they are seriously considering it. i would love to see them bring back old need and greed loot rules for all content because the forums would explode with posts about being ninja looted.
$15 for everyone.
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ah yes this was the thread I was waiting for to pop up again after DF circus.
Lets see how fun this develops again…
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Yup, everyone should always roll NEED, there’s no reason to roll anything else.
The roll menu shouldn’t even appear.
It’s been like this as long as rolling on loot has been a thing.
Rolling for transmog? Haha, you total idiot! That’s basically a pass!
Roll NEED if you want it for transmog!
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Because the rules are they can’t need on it if the piece is exactly the same. Otherwise, people lose out on trinkets, rings, etc. that even with an lower ilevel can be better due to stat distribution.
No… you’re not entitled to loot. No one is.
Let’s not act like PL was any less toxic. LFR meta was to not loot the boss and let Blizzard mail your loot to you to avoid the unwashed masses of beggars and loot goblins. Especially when there was someone running the addon that send out a raid warning alerting the horde to everyone who won loot that could be traded.
I’ve never been told to kill myself more times than in PL LFR runs where I refused to give up my loot to someone who had decided that I didn’t need it as much as they did.
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lower ilvl with better stats maybe? plus if the game says I can roll need, i roll need, i don’t have time to do a proper gear analysis in the middle of a fast moving lfr
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Oh boy. Here we go again with this.
Stop inspecting other people if you’re just going to get upset when they win the roll.
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This is another glaring example of how WoW has transformed into a soulless, antisocial, live service, mobile POS game.
Players should be upset if someone needed for disenchanting or for a mog over someone that legit needs for an upgrade, but, in this day everyone rolls need for everything and the derp train keeps on rolling. No one talks to eachother so no one cares. The game has been designed to reward selfishness and if you can’t beat em, join em.
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This is the perfect smooth brain example of a retail player now.
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its LFR. everyone is rolling need. if you dont like it, get into a guild and play with a team with loot rules.
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This right here is the sad and honest truth of current LFR roll system.
In an ideal world people would roll “transmog” if they needed it for that, but when the “need” roll out weighs the “transmog” rolls (which it should) then everyone will just hit “need”.
“Need” is the only option that’s going to get you anything in LFR.
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so people begging, and being toxic is caused by PL? ok.
