I agree with you.
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If you win it it’s yours to do with what you will. That’s kind of the point.
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you won the drop? its YOURS to do what you want to with.
Factually yours is motivated in SPITE to DE something someone needs for any reason.
My taking it because I NEED the transmog is simple a matter of NEEDING the transmog, not done in spite.
But thanks for showing us all who you are in all of this.
we need to go back to personal loot so this whimpering about everyone elses drops can stop again.
Ion HAD to have known this juvenile whining would be the obvious result of all of this.
i saw people selling full clears for 1m gold. I would assume if you are paying 1m gold, you get all the drops
How is it spiteful?
I won the roll so it’s mine and I can do what ever I want, and I want to level my enchanting.
right…if he needs some hard to find mat, DE it, its his drop.
But he was clearly posting that just to be spiteful in a vain effort to make a point, he knows he can get his mats from the AH in nearly all cases.
But as you say…he won it, its his to do with as he pleases.
I dont see mog hunters in here whining at THEM because they did it, however…
because we BOTH know WHY you posted what you did son…“I’ll show you”…lmao.
Im not stupid…your motivation in that post was clear as crystal.
I don’t necessarily have a dog in this fight, but in this thread it’s pretty obvious you brought it up to prove a point and now that you didn’t get the response you wanted you’re playing dumb.
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2 moves i love seeing in game… 1 undead race eating the corpse of the person they just killed (even if they are already full health)
the other the chanter that wins a giant upgrade for someone and disenchants it in the persons face and complain they only got a crappy blue shard worth 50s
cracks me up everytime
Sure but the point of the current system is that motive is irrelevant. If you are able to roll greed, you roll it, because every other option is a pass. The whole need/greed/transmog is an illusion – the only rolls that win are need rolls, so whenever need is pressable you just press it – any motivation or no motivation, it’s all the same to the game.
I think silent PL would be better, but seems unlikely. Any system with less transparency would be better, but also seems unlikely. So what is likely? People all rolling need whenever they can, and others getting upset about it from time to time. I think Blizzard knows that and is fine with it, really.
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Because all it takes is 1 person rolling “need” when they SHOULD have rolled “xmog” … and everyone else that rolled xmog is screwed.
And so then … everyone learns that there is no “xmog” roll: you ALWAYS roll need.
Collecting xmog shouldn’t be this hard. The system is designed to allow a slow progression over time of gear for POWER so the game isn’t consumed in 2 weeks by the Joe Average player.
That’s not true for xmog. There’s no reason to have all the restrictions we have. Collecting xmog doesn’t affect player performance.
The current system doesn’t make sense. And so the rules that govern it fall apart.
Then you’ll just get threads where people are crying about others hiding loot and not giving it to them.
You do realize if you do this in a fashion that makes it clear that it was meant to target someone, that you’d then be in violation of the ToS… right?
“Behaviours” is covered under this. So if you behave in a way that makes it clear that you are targeting a person for the sake of being abusive, inflammatory, or otherwise acted in a way to antagonize them … a GM could determine that you have broken the rules via the antagonization of another player.
You are entirely allowed to do these things but my point is that if you try to target a person when doing it, that might be deemed against the ToS.
Just enjoy the loot you get and if you are there to get disenchanting materials, just DE the stuff and don’t bother being petty with other players. Why and how this is a foreign concept is beyond me.
For the roll? If you can roll need and win, it is yours.
But the rest of what folks were describing? If motive can be established, then it is entirely possible that it would be regarded as against the ToS. Assuming that one could establish a clear motive and intent.
Well if the game never tells anyone who wins the roll and only sends the loot to the mailbox an hour after, nobody will know who won. That’s the point. Nobody would be hiding anything, it would be done automatically by the game.
But Blizzard likes drama, I think, because it drives engagement.
It’s effectively the same thing with GL having better odds at giving you loot because you aren’t rolling against everyone, just the people who can physically use the item in question. Which is why I don’t see a reason it needs to change.
I still don’t think the problem is the system, I think it’s the people who get upset when they lose a 100% fair roll and have to find a reason why them being upset is someone else’s fault. i.e. “The person who doesn’t deserve that gear as much as I do”.
damn! So i could have reported that guy that did that too me?!? oh well, i just found it funny as it happens to me all the time.
if it wasnt for bad, i wouldnt have any luck at all. I remember rolling a 99 on a super upgrade and the guy rolled a 100 and de’d the item in my face.
Wish it was just personal loot.
If I want a mog, I’m going to roll need for it. I don’t honestly care about anyone else in that group. I’ll likely never see them again. I’m here for rewards and I’m going to get them in whatever capacity I can.
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Yea, and they can also roll if the item comes with rare tertiary stats like speed.
Which is what I was talking about. Behavior apart from rolls is a separate issue – the rolls, though – you can’t question motives for that under the current system, and that has been a lot of the conversation above (until it started veering off in the last 20 posts or so into vindictive DEing and so on).