Lets try No Flying in TBC! Please read what my suggestion is first

Absolutely is.
If you go into it without an addons telling you where to and how to get there it’ll take you a couple months to get from 60-70 just like Vanilla takes a couple months for normal players to get to 60.

It’s simple. You have to go to the flight vendor to buy flying. Just constantly kill the opposing factions so they can’t buy it.

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Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

It absolutely isn’t the same. First off, you shouldn’t even need an addon for TBC leveling because every zone has proper quest hubs, unlike the vanilla world, which are few and far between. Second, the time it takes to get from 60-70 is in no way comparable to 1-60. It should take even a casual player less than a month to level a character through TBC, whereas the same can’t be said about 1-60.

It’s one thing to have an opinion, it’s another to be objectively wrong.

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Just ask to remove flying on PvP servers. The people on normal servers don’t gaf about what happens in front of a dungeon. :neutral_face:

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Because I already knew it was ridiculous from the title :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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We know, it’s too hard for you.

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They should time gate it until netherdrakes, and rays come out. That’s a huge part of tbc, removing flying all together would delete that content.

Eve makes it fun. We have bubbles. they really hinder flying.

WoW could copy them, I’d not mind lol. Give wow a bubble setup, with tradeoffs…and now all should be happier.

In eve only a few ships can equip the bubble launcher. And its comes with tradeoffs. Pita skill trains, loss of dps to fit the launcher, stuff like that.

the bubble maker won’t be topping damage meters. BUt…without them you get less kills. this is how to me support classes should be really.

The game’s popularity at the time and sub drop had nothing to do with no flying mounts, in-fact the game it self was very well received at the time for questing and early game along side the whole immersion thing with not having to just fly in the skybox.

The drop off was 100% because of the lack of content, cancelled/scrapped content, and generally nothing to do outside of the difficulty ramped up raids for the general consumers, on top of that raid tier missing, you basically had half of an expansion.

Removing flying was a huge part of the exodus. And Blizz did a very fast about-face when they lost half their subs…which happened the first year of WoD. It wasn’t due to content drought.

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Netherwing dailies?
Skyguard dailies?
Ogrila dailies?

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No, that sub loss happened immediately after WOD launched. In fact, it nose dived. Blizzard lost half their players in the first three months. When half your players leave the first three months, it has nothing to do with lack of content. I’m not saying that taking away flying is the reason everyone dumped that expac, but it’s the reason a lot of players left, including me.

https://headphonesaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/World-of-Warcraft-subscription-numbers.png

https://www.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2015/08/wow-subscriptions-historical-2005-2015.png

Interestingly enough, I never hear anyone talking about the awesome WPvP in the good old days of WOD.

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If you need an addon to level in vanilla you should be playing retail.

The time investment to level 60-70 is the same as the time investment to get to 1-60 in Vanilla.
The average player will take 2 months 1-60.
The average player will take 2 months to get from 60-70.

I have a counter proposal flying should be enabled in the entire world when TBC launches.

Yep.

that time had the raids. which more raid caring players I know said were pretty decent. Now while Ion’s success as wow lead is a debate to some players…many will say he made some good raids in WoD lol. Ion was lead raid deve then, he took over everything in legion as I recall

Dungeons were decent.

and in that first year to even have the garrison set up “to never leave it” (another wod rant for number loss) was lots of time filling side crap really.

you saw the world a bit to get the AH module a fair bit. It was after the AH module you could now “never leave the garrison” lol.

You’re either dumb or trolling, either way, I’ll indulge you this last time.

If you need an addon to level in vanilla you probably haven’t leveled through it ~10+ times like many of us veteran players have. Not everyone lives and breathes wow, so needing an addon to level is completely understandable, especially with vanilla and its non-streamlined leveling.

Sure, it may take your average boomer, with 2 jobs, 3 wives, 10 children, and 5 mortgages, around 2 months to get to 60, but your average player nowadays is getting to 60 much quicker than that.

As for your average player taking 2 months to do 60-70, all I can say is lol :clown_face:

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Just like you “veteran” players totally don’t need Deadly Boss Mods it’s just a raid tool.
The level of arrogance surrounding a 20 year old game is hilarious.

This game isn’t hard.
That’s why you play it.

The average WoW player is sill in their 30s and we’re a month into Anniversary.
Level 44 is the halfway point by experience points.

Not an argument.

…TBC is the one expansion that was well-designed w.r.t. flying…

He’s doubled and tripled down on 1-60 Vanilla taking the same amount of time as 60-70 TBC. :rofl:

During Wrath Classic was the last time I leveled through all that. Which included the 1-60 exp nerfs (which were pretty significant). I’d estimate that 60-70 took about 25% as much time as 1-60. It’s not even remotely close. He’s either trolling or…drunk?

I disagree with something you said, though. It certainly doesn’t take the ‘average’ person 2 months to level to 60 in Vanilla. It’s longer than that. And it’s much shorter than that for the ‘average’ person to go 60-70.

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Vanilla leveling times vary alot based on player. I go slow as hell as I care about my craftings and such.

I know me from now cata series. I will get to fishing at level cap! I don’t get to fishing at level cap though.

Skinning and such…can mean more too. No raid aspirations, so I don’t sweat it. TBC waiting room club member, with if I stick to it a well rounded character for a change lol.