Read the damn post. The whole thing. Nobody is asking to remove static fly path. The ask is to remove dynamic fly mouts…
The point is your argument applies to flying paths, and meeting stones. Both of which you’re fine with. But flying mounts (which players at least have to control and have the ability to deviate from a set path) are somehow unacceptable.
If your main concern is for world pvp, then ask for bgs to be removed.
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Yes, again the dynamic flying mount that can be controlled by the player. That’s what we are asking yo be removed. We can discuss about other quality of life features, but that would a different conversation.
What we want is BC but with vanilla like transportation. That should answer all of your questions.
Ok, so you do want summoning stones removed. And your tactic of avoiding the fact your argument makes no sense is commendable.
By the way, if you want a middle-ground, here it is: play Vanilla if you don’t want flying mounts. Stop trying to eliminate the differences between the two version of the game. They need those differences.
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My opinion on summoning stone is irrelevant to this topic. We are talking about mounts that are controlled by players. But since you insist on knowing my opinion on summoning stones; Yes I personally prefer summoning to be only a warlock ability for the sake of uniqueness.
I am always open to changes that are aligned with the philosophy of the game and will make the game better. Removing fly mount is a great authentic change that makes BC even better. Of course for PvE players this doesn’t mean anything.
Um, no it isn’t. You interact with people IN the dungeon. Getting to the dungeon is called “traveling.” I run all over the place NOW, and I don’t interact with anyone when I’m going from point A to point B, especially when I’m on a taxi.
Are you talking about WPvP? Because I have no interest in “interacting” with other players interfering with me getting from point A to point B. Also “safely”?? To get FPs at lvl 28 I ran through the Charred Vale, through Feralas, through Thousand Needles, through the Shimmering Flats and on to Tanaris. Other than sacrificing my pet a few times it went fine. What is this “danger” you speak of?
FPs take you to your destination “2000 feet up n above flying safely.” So flying from hub to hub or hub to city, blah blah, should be allowed because . . . ? All you’re doing is suggesting that TRAVELING should be long and tedious.
And the rest of aren’t interested IN THE LEAST what they do on PvP servers. Take away the ground mounts for all anyone cares.
No, it’s extremely relevant as it points out the hypocrisy in what you’re saying. And, like it or not, the philosophy of TBC is that the game is built around flying mounts.
Here’s what you can do: if SoD servers progress to TBC then advocate for flying mounts removal there. That’s the point of those servers. But it’s extremely selfish to try and change TBC into something it wasn’t. The people who want an authentic TBC should get an authentic TBC.
Well we can always replace flying with Hulk jumping.
Summoning and fly path both exist in vanilla yet there are lots of interactions n PvP.
A summoning stone requires 2 ppl to be there to click. They have to get there on the ground. And from there the group still gotta make it to the instance on the ground.
There is usually a long ride from a fly path to the entrance of a dungeon.
Take Auchindon area for example. If there is no fly mount that area will be the new BRM. Closest fp is Shatrath or Allerian which is miles away.
How the hell are these features comparable with the ability to fly on demand from 2000 yards above directly into a dungeon portal and avoid 99% of interactions on the ground and around the dungeon area??
Your logic is weak. You are desperately trying to invalidate my argument by connecting 2 things that have no correlation.
Sounds like you should just play Vanilla then.
No. The mission of the classic projects is not just to re-release vanilla n the past expansions as they were. Just like any other projects there is always room for improvement. Improvements that don’t change the philosophy but makes it even better n stronger.
Releasing expansion after expansion with no change indicates nothing went wrong originally. But we the classic players, believe lot of things went wrong after vanilla expansion by expansion. Especially from WOTLK and onward, the philosophy of the game totally changed. So we gotta start thinking about what went wrong n strive to fix those. N removing fly mount from BC is a good start.
The philosophy of TBC is built around flying mounts.
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If you view having incidental PVP as being an annoyance you should be on a PVE server.
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TBC was built to look cool from the ground and from the sky.
The flying mounts are the reward for getting to 70 the game wasn’t designed for them at all outside of places like Tempest Keep or The Elemental Plateau you can get everywhere else on a ground mount.
The world would be more alive without flying mounts and only serve to allow max level players to gank lowbies easier.
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“incidental pvp”
You mean, PvP on their terms. Wpvp is essentially never “fair”
Nobody fights when its 1v1, but another same faction show up, oh have to take the 2v1! We have the numbers!!
If you find that fun and exciting on the 5th release of a 20 year old game by all means go for it.
I find it annoying.
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You’re right it’s not.
That’s what makes wPVP fun.
Your 1v1 turns into a 1v2 really quickly which makes the fights exciting.
“Can I kill them before help gets here?”
I jump into 1v5s all the time just to see if I can kill one person.
You belong on a PVE server.
Go play PVE.
See above.
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No you dont.
Just stop it.
All talk, no game.
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Okay I hear You but I can tell you were you went wrong.
The philosophy is always vanilla. Vanilla is the holy grail n back bone of wow. BC is an expansion to that philosophy. That means BC is supposed to refine vanilla n make it even better. Which it did in many many different aspects. But fly mount wasn’t one of em.
Fly mount looked like a fancy exciting feature at the beginning and for a while. But now and after all these years, it’s clear that it damaged the game more than adding to it n it has major conflicts to the original philosophy.
How many YouTube shorts do you need me to post?
I think you mean “I get ganked 1v5 all the time and try to at least kill one”
LOL please share your clips of ganking randos.