“I live underground. Y’all are just tourists.”
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I think the requirements are too steep.
I’m fine with not having it.
I wasn’t strictly saying they shouldn’t, mind you. Just that sometimes we end up, in a system like this, where things are pushed around that might not need to be.
Of course, I’d also suggest that those 4-8 anti High Elf threads per week also go to the RP section. My opinion of what should or shouldn’t happen with High Elves notwithstanding, I’m tired of seeing a million threads on both sides.
However, I’m not sold that the new forums are any better than the old ones honestly. I might see less occasional aggressiveness, but it does lend a certain air when you know that it’s not Blizzard in charge of whether you get to say anything or not.
Maybe that’s just me having been raised feeling like, socially, we ought to be free to talk. Blizzard is a private entity so they can tell me I can’t, but it feels wrong for individuals on my own level to have that power.
You are free to talk but there are laws that will get you if you’re saying something morally wrong. Like on the forums, they’re just not the same laws as in real life and have more defined morals about certain subjects since it’s a smaller community.
I miss being able to post pictures and links, I should go scroll through some of those longer threads to get T3 back.
Whatever we each think, I do want to touch on this. There are no laws (in the US) against “immoral” speech just because it challenges someones morality.
There are absolutely things that you’re not legally allowed to say, though. You’re not allowed to threaten someone with murder, for example. You can’t make claims about someone that aren’t true, particularly in a public setting. Those are easily immoral things to do, but they’re not illegal because they’re immoral. They’re illegal because they’re problematic (one is a threat, one is dangerous to a persons public image, both can cause great harm).
It’s not, however, immoral to express your opinion even if it ends up coming across as immoral. If you do not like the LGBT movement, you’re welcome to say as much and while it would be awfully rude, if you weren’t threatening someone, there’s not a lot to do about you if you indicated you thought they were disgusting.
The reason I mention it is just because “illegal” and “immoral” aren’t the same things. There are things that are immoral that aren’t illegal, however, and making something illegal doesn’t make it immoral in and of itself. The law, itself, does not define morality.
That said:
I’m mostly going with what Blizzard sets forth as the rules. The fact that Blizzard has historically unlocked those mega threads a few times would indicate that Blizzard doesn’t see anything wrong with it. That they’ve stopped trying to do anything seems to indicate that they can’t do anything at this time rather than that they suddenly agree we’re not allowed to speak about it.
Either way!
I don’t think it needs to be this lengthy of an issue. We both agree that they ought to take it up somewhere other than right here where they’re not welcome and people have the power to do something about that unwelcomeness.
Excellent reference
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The law is made to shape the community. If you want to discern legality and morality you’re free to do so. But you should remember that, you make laws so you shape how people will interact with each other. Pushing certains things to be more morals or not, like they did with drugs.
Historically laws are made in reaction to how society develops. They are an evolving system that adapts to a culture and society as they grow. For example, it’s not objectively immoral to buy liquor on Sunday, but it is illegal in some places. As an additional example, it’s immoral to cheat on your girlfriend, but it’s not illegal to do so.
Laws are, absolutely, made with a morality in mind. It’s our morality that shapes our laws, though. What we value, how we see things, and what we consider unacceptable, all come together to decide what should and shouldn’t be illegal. Morality proscribes legality, not the other way around.
I’m a little confused, do you mean pushing for drugs to be legal so that they’re moral, or pushing for them to be illegal so that they’re not moral? I think maybe it’s the “s” that’s confusing me. Do you mean “pushing certain things to be more moral or not”, as in declaring them right and wrong on a moral level?
In either case, in the words of the great Thomas Jefferson, one of the principle authors of our own legal system:
“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”
Even the founding fathers understood that morality and legality weren’t the same, and that the laws can not proscribe morality (nor should they attempt to).
I read your post and I agree the maintenance part sucks, but I was reported and banned once and a mod checked it out and fixed it. I’m still TL3.
It is unfortunate that tons and tons of people thought you were trolling though.
I have a bit more of a machiavellian view of it. Which means that for some people morals are just a means to an end. They are pushing that kind of moral/law to push certain voters to vote for them.
But as far as that quote go normally people are happy enought with a democratic system. There won’t be any uproar about what we have on the forums which is pretty close to that system. Also that doesn’t mean also that you’re free to talk and that it won’t go unpunished 
And I’d refer that again to the machiavellian theory, leaders should understood the power of anything and how they could use it. There are political reasons why you would side with something or make a law and they have been used to do so in all countries, also been refered today as pushing an agenda (and some people agenda is moral). That you disagree with that or not.
Morality is subjective, legality is not. 
In my defense I’d completely trailed off into morality vs legality, and had completely forgotten that this had stemmed from the forums!
To be fair the US democracy isn’t really like the forums at all. We have a democratic republic, which isn’t a true democracy in the sense that everyone has a vote on everything. The forums are closer to true democracy, in that everyone can say their piece at all times, and have an impact.
Not that I’m belittling our system, of course. We are a democracy, just not a “true democracy” in the sense that everyone votes on everything all the time.
Yes, of course. I think, at least in part, that’s why a lot of people would argue that laws do not truly dictate morals. They are representative, and over time they might influence them if people don’t think much about the situation, but if a law is truly unjust it’s unjust. The law can not make itself “correct” on it’s own power if the people end up disagreeing.
That’s really all I meant. That the law, which must be crafted to adhere to a (in our case majority) standard of morality, is applied to a people it’s relevant to. The US government isn’t going to make, for example, alcohol illegal. That just doesn’t apply to us, because it’s not a moral issue across the board enough to make an either-or law about it. They tried once, because they thought it was a big enough deal, and the results were atrocious (indicating that people are capable of disagreeing with the law and not being immoral).
Which I quite enjoyed engaging with.
I think we’ve both brought our piece to the table, and I think we disagree, but I hope you can see my perspective even if you don’t agree with it. I certainly see yours, even if I don’t agree with everything you’ve drawn from those conclusions.
Of course, that’s why the law exists. It’s to take something from the realm of debate to the realm of absolute.
That’s not to say, however, that the law is infallible. That’s really my point. The law is not morality. The law is more like a crystallized representation of a societies morality, among many other things, for the purpose of a consistent system to act within.
Humans, after all, greatly prefer a structured system to live in then a debate about morality whilst someone is dead on the floor.
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Drug reference. Reported!
Discussing forum moderation and punishments! !reported!
But if you help that guy and failed he will sue you for the damage xd
But I was acting in self defence your honor
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I don’t even know how to check my trust level
I don’t know why, but this feels so thematic a comment after the last dozen or so posts.
There’s a method but I would just try to post an imgur link to test it out. Probably someone more helpful than me knows it.
I should be Trust Level 3, however one time I was given a forum vacation because I made a tongue-in-cheek thread about the Rise of Feninism which was all about me and my orcish greatness. It got removed and I was given a vacation for trolling. So now I think I’m ineligible to ever receive Trust Level 3. 
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