This thread has become really boring all of sudden.
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This quote was in response to my stated belief that there is a perceptual difference between underwear and a swimsuit. I support my statement with the idea that if you go to the store in your underwear, there will be consequences.
But here we have a response by an author that has become fuzzy on the differences between fact and fiction in her/his mind. This alt reality or alt perceptions of truths has also come up over my lifetime and appears to be causing a lot of world issues.
You can say that there are studies showing video games do not lead to social violence, and if I question who funded them, you can avoid the answer, but this type of thought process is indicative of a transition during the era of electronic media.
My opinion that there is a perceptual difference between underwear and swimsuits is based on some facts that are from real life situations, not fantasy games. However, the accusation that I am lying is, at best, based upon an opinion that disagrees with my statement.
The author did not stop to consider that there are two sides to these perceptions and that they are dependent on many things, to include whether you apply them to real life logic or game immersion. I am simply called a liar as though there is an alt-truth that is more credible.
It almost makes my point about underwear all by itself. What is wrong with me? I’ll tell you what? I don’t want people who play video games to confuse their fantasy reality with their real life ability to think logically within today’s real life world and its consequences. I don’t want future laws or future norms to change based upon what people want to do to break social rules in games. What is the point of allowing warriors the ability to wear underwear in battle? How does it support the reality of the game concept? Conan the Barbarian’s original author committed suicide at 30 because he couldn’t reconcile his fantasy warrior abilities with real world realities. Honest real life truth! And he is considered the father of the swords and sorcery genre.
But more importantly, I don’t want the people of the world to fail to tell the difference between fact and fiction and then accept that if there is a purely fictional argument that they agree with, it was ok because it was the end result they wanted for themselves.
And you can’t tell me it isn’t happening already. You can only help me point out the companies that are enabling it… and then brainstorm on why.
What is funny about your response is that a conservative look at sex in the movies, not showing hardcore issues, would be just that… conservative… which by definition is a right-winged approach. In all too many cases, people are using the term leftist or alt-right on concepts that aren’t such to simply attempting to debunk something they don’t like with a term representing “the other side”, even if it is an idea their group would embrace. I find this trait kind of humorous…
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I appreciate the Moderator’s position on maintaining the forum guidelines from discussing issues of this nature in the forums. I only beg the game designers to consider that I am concerned about this issue because I don’t want this type of behavior to occur in the game or real life. It is the basis of my concern, and yet it can’t be discussed when discussing changes in features in the game. I certainly hope that the Dev responsible for reading this thread is allowed to see THIS specific post to understand how your own system prevents you from getting accurate player feedback on your game plans. How can you discuss the issue of underwear without related discussions that are forbidden in the forums?
Screw it let us hide our whole character. I want to play as an invisible ghost Blizzard. Don’t artificially limit me! Options are always better rabble rabble.
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I would love to hide shoes. My druid and monk look better without them.
I do not understand the reason behind “not pants”. It can’t be due to game ratings, as there is already a toy that makes you naked, and people have the option to remove pants at any time. This just seems like an unnecessary restriction, given the rest of the freedom.
With pants being hidden, you could actually make that robe from Ahn’Qiraj work (where there are gaps on the thighs, and every piece of armor shows through it in the ugliest way possible).
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I wish they’d let plate wearers have a normal hat or something we can transmog to, just the head.
I have leather and cloth envy.
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Just do that Stormsong assault quest where you get into the mole machine… my character remains invisible every time I try that quest. ![:laughing:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/laughing.png?v=6" ":laughing:")
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Unfortunately there is no possibility Blizzard can do anything with nudity and be accepted in the market. Just the truth of our reality. We can do mass murder, use chemical weapons, random slaughter, chop up body parts (and eat them)… but breasts are just WAY too offensive to show.
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Roll a Horde char and you can buy Griftah’s Authentic Troll Shoes: They make foot slot equipment invisible.
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https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/162/Slippery-Slope
I don’t see how in any universe being able to run around in your underwear (something we can already do technically) is going to lead to X rated. (Which requires full genitalia visible) It’s not logical, or even probable. Blizzard isn’t going to retroactively design genitalia for every single playable race just for the 10% who wanna get off while playing WoW.
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I am a woman. I have no problem with first or second wave feminism. But they belong in our history books. We’re on third wave, and maybe we’ll evolve into a fourth wave. You need to move on, move forward. Time stands still for no one. Modernly some of the things in second wave feminism is problamatic, and counterintuitive to actual equality. (It also lacks intersectionality and is primarily for middle class, or wealth cishet white women). Which is why third wave feminism formed in the first place.
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You do know it’s perfectly legal to walk around in public in your underwear right? It’s frowned upon… even though as I said underwear has not actual aesthetic difference from swimsuites. But not illegal.
You’re complaining about something that’s been in the game since 2004. Seriously… and the mores famous polish or w/e has been in for like 4-5 years? now which lets you be in your underwear 1/3rd of your play time. This has nothing to do with sexual violence. Women in their underwear aren’t “asking for it”. NAKED WOMEN aren’t “asking for it”. A man dressing up a cartoon woman in underwear doesn’t mean he’s going to sexually assault someone. If he was, being able to run around all the time in your underwear in WoW isn’t going to make a difference. Especially when there are other things out there much more… enabling. Besides the fact that if you listen to actual psychology… Fantasies provide a release. They do not increase the chance of someone taking their fantasy into reality. No one is confusing fantasy with reality. Not unless they have mental illness. And if they do then that needs to be treated. Changing WoW won’t help them. If they confuse reality with fantasy so easily they probably just as easily believe in magic and dragons as easily as being naked being socially acceptable. Mentally healthy people do not conflate the two.
There is nothing wrong with being a “pervert” as long as no one is getting hurt. That’s my motto. DO WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone or doing something against their will.
[Removed by Forum Moderator for language.] Some folks are like that. I’m sorry. But that doesn’t relate at all. Though to be fair you said that something he was interested in/excited about was only for “perverts” so I wonder why he had such a strong reaction? Still that wouldn’t be something I threw away a friendship for. But I’m not him. I have a lot of aspects about me I’m sure people consider to be perverted or immoral. (Notably: I’m a lesbian.) But I don’t hurt, anyone, ever. So I pay it no mind. I know I’m not immoral and that’s all that matters.
We seem to have fundamentally different moral philosophies. You may not see yourself as a religious prude. But your views have been conditioned by religion. They’re also conditioned by the environment in which you grew up. At some point you just stopped growing. It must’ve happened before third wave feminism which is why you’re stuck in second. You are no longer able to evolve or grow your way of thinking beyond that point… It’s not uncommon. But it is sad. I hope to the gods it doesn’t happen to me as I get older. Nothing is more horrifying then the thought they my way of thinking can’t evolve or grow.
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This is why. A consumable product released for store called Emperors New Clothes, allowing just that lasts for an hour and will be sold for 60 dollars US
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I can agree with you there… But I am afraid you are part of the problem.
They were studied by psychologists
trying to get to an answer to a question? Which is what scientists do… But if you’re gonna deny science because #conspiracy then you might as well try telling me the earth is flat and then I truly know there is no hope for you.
If it’s more credible it’s not an alt truth. Credibility is facts. The less credible, the less factual. Which means it is the alt fact.
Like I said. No one who is mentally healthy is going to do this. If they are mentally unhealthy then they’re already going to play wow and find it morally acceptable to go around and literally backstab humans. Or gut cattle. Or think they can cast spells.
This is nonsense. It’s not illegal to be in your underwear. So this means nothing.
Oh it’s this cool new fantasy concept. You might’ve heard of it… It’s called. MAGIC!!! WE LITERALLY TALK TO GHOSTS IN MAGICAL WRAPPINGS TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF OUR GEAR! Like I said… we aren’t actually naked… it’s magic. Our gear is magically hidden. We’re still wearing it! Holy crap. Reading comprehension 101 Please.
The game concept is a fantasy. Fantasies are fantasies.
I feel like this is false… and even if it weren’t. That is indicative of mental illness. Video games, and fantasies don’t cause mental illness. Mental illness causes video games and fantasies to be confused with the real world. You’ve got the whole order of things jumbled. I’m a psychology major… trust me I know what I’m talking about.
Just read a short biography about him
Ya, he had some mental health issues for sure. With or without the fantasy I’m quite sure that as he didn’t have proper treatment it would’ve led to that ending regardless. What are you even suggesting in that context? We limit, or stop fantasy? Or make fantasy only be what’s socially acceptable? That’s beyond oppressive. Holy crap. That’s wanting to literally suppress people’s thoughts and minds. People are always gonna fantasize. It doesn’t matter if they have an outlet or not.
One of the most famous and beloved artists is Vincent Van Gough. And he suffered from depression, cut his own ear off, and eventually killed himself. Great minds are often troubled.
Not happening.
What do companies have to gain by enabling this behavior? Someone actually picks up a sword and stabs someone, or runs around naked. Then they’re in jail or prison and unable to buy and play their video games. It’s illogical. There is a lot corrupt with capitalism. But it isn’t evil for evil’s sake. It has motivation and that’s money.
I’m not saying no one has problems telling the difference of fact and fiction. But these people probably shouldn’t be on WoW or other such video game anyways. This isn’t going to make a difference in that. They need treatment. But it most certainly isn’t turning people who could normally tell the difference between fact and fiction into people who can’t. There is absolutely no evidence of that.
Wow, something I can agree with.
In game, doesn’t matter no one is getting hurt. In real life people in their underwear aren’t hurting anyone. Anyone who is hurting anyone should be punished to the full extent of the law. And most certainly should not be blaming video games as a convenient excuse. They need to take responsibility for their actions.
You say this sarcastically but I’m over here going. “Why not?”
This already exists.
/sigh… unfortunate… I touched on this earlier.
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The hat I’m wearing can be bought with doubloons, and it’s cosmetic. But you have to be comfortable with being a pirate.
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First our toons would need genitalia, and WoW isn’t Conan Exiles yet. I mean, we can’t even get a height slider; I don’t see an endowment slider in our future.
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Hiding your shoes does not exist. Shoes that look invisible do exist, though.
Shoes that look invisible are hiding your shoes. 0.o
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