It is, also a bit strange that my biggest motivation when turning level 50 is doing Legion content rather than BFA content. Wonder if Blizzard will allow to stay like that.
For a player who doesn’t feel they want to invest time in high level PvE and just wants a decent weapon for their alts as the expansion ends, they are very good. The purchased weapon is ilvl 72. Any other weapon is a random drop, no guarantee it will ever drop.
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I’m guessing you mean your main that has been playing BFA? I’m talking about an alt that reached level 50 in pre-patch and has never even touched BFA.
Yeah, that weapon will last you like 30 minutes. It’s equivalent to what was ilvl 415ish before the patch.
I don’t know why you’re making such a big deal out of this.
It won’t last “30 minutes” if you’re not spamming dungeons until your eyes bleed to try to get a replacement and are incredibly lucky. It’s better than what drops (2%) in a random dungeon.
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I know the relics increase the ilvl. I’m saying they should just bake that into the artifact and get rid of the relics. lol
Ah yes, the fabled “Legion team” and the “Burning Crusade team” that hang around for years just fixing up that content.
You do realise there is a difference between things like art teams and quest teams and encounter teams and balance teams and having a team waiting for your perceived “problem” and implementing items, changing quests, altering loot tables, and modifying artifacts right?
I forgot that everyone on GD is a games programmer for a AAA company and definitely knows 100% how much effort is involved in this change that only they want.
How? How would you “just change” the scaling on both the artifact and the relics?
Increase the ilvl on the artifact weapon so it’s OP at low levels but reduce relic scaling so it starts off amazing and becomes useless?
Implement heirloom scaling on the artifact and all relics?
Implement heirloom scaling on the artifact and nerf all relics to almost irrelevancy?
Also again, the.system.works.fine.
Just go and get the relics and be over and done with.
Gear you receive while questing has been scaled since implementation of level scaling. Relics could be scaled this way too. Receive a relic and use it. The artifact would scale up as you level, but not the relics, which you would be free to replace later if you wished.
Not a big deal at all.
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Gear you receive yes. So are you implying artifact weapons should be scaled based on when they are received? So people getting them at 50 have god tier weapons and people who get them at a more appropriate level get screwed?
Also you say scale the relics, which is exactly how the system currently works.
You get a base ilvl artifact weapon, and then the relics scale with level so that you can continue to upgrade it as you level.
Not sure how what you are suggesting would change anything except require work and ensure a smaller band of scaling on relics. They already only scale up +20 ilvls over 50 levels as far as actual contribution to weapon power, how far do you suppose they squish that to accommodate scaling artifact weapons? 10 ilvls over 50 levels? 5 ilvls over 50 levels?
Again it’s unnecessary work for an issue that doesn’t really exist.
I could respond to you or let you respond to the people agreeing with me. I’ll choose the latter and share the love.
Oh, I agree. But apparently some believe this is so much work that it will cause shadowlands to be delayed again! lol
That’s the opposite of what I said.
Just imagine a level 10 entering legion and getting a level 10 artifact. They do a quest and get a level 10 relic.
At level 20 a level 20 starting the zone might get a level 20 artifact and a level 20 relic to put in it.
Meanwhile, the level 10 has leveled up to 20, and so has their base artifact, while the relic in it remains a level 10 unless they decide to get a new one. You’re really overthinking this.
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You make them scale like how gear already scaled in all other expansions. Considering it’s already been done, they can apply it to Legion as well. You make it so they are useable regardless of what level you begin Legion, as is the case for gear in the rest of the expansions. There have been plenty of people who agree its silly and should be changed, so it is an issue in that it makes levelling through Legion different from other expansions. Certainly adding weapons to the quatermaster for different level ranges wouldn’t put back shadowlands a month, although neither would changing how the artifact or relics work. The relics already scale, they can just tweak the numbers, but it makes even more sense to just have the artifact scale.
It’s also hilarious you worry about them being godly in end game when they way they stand now, they are already the best thing for a fresh alt that doens’t feel like grinding end-game content. So the thing you fear, is already a reality for fresh max-level alts, who rather than continuing into BFA content go into Legion to get powerful weapons while doing trivilized content.
In short, there is an issue, which is the artifacts are good at level 10, and level 50 when you can easy mode content and world quests for relics, but worse in between. It also definitely doesn’t take as much work as you imagine it does, despite your clear background in programming that lets you make such statements.
I’m not worried about them being godly in-game. I’d just want to make sure that nobody falls through the cracks as happened to you originally.
I think actually the system is a great design, because it puts a deterministic factor back into gearing. You want better relics you can grind some more dungeons. If your artifact is good enough for your purposes, you can be satisfied and move on to something else. There are plenty of ways you can get better relics.
I feel like the people who are opposed to what are essentially minor suggested changes are addicted to rng and feel threatened that adding a deterministic factor to weapon acquisition somehow goes against the way things are supposed to be.
None of the game was set to accommodate chromie time. That’s why shoehorning it into this new model has broken so many things.
My previous comment about godly end game weapons was honestly just directed towards the other poster. It wasn’t even something I was considering when I started this thread. As you note, I began this whole thread because I suddenly found my DK, which was levelling through Legion fine one day, suddenly found himself with a gimped weapon the next day.
We are honestly in total basic agreement and I appreciate you stating that it’s really minor suggested changes being discussed.
100% quoted from truth.
I ask, have you done Legion since the changes?
Again I addressed that in that last post. Relics only provide 20 ilvls over a 50 level process, that is with artifacts staying the lowest base level.
So what you’re suggesting is that instead the relics scale a lot slower, so what 5 ilvls over 50 levels? That is not even worth doing.
Again, it is fine exactly as it is. The fact that OP doesn’t want to do the content and actually get the relics is OP’s problem, they just need to not be lazy about it.
Nothing about the current artifact acquisition is RNG so how does that make any sense?
Also anyone who knows me post can assure you that I am actually opposed to RNG upgrades and acquisition.
You guys aren’t even on the same page for what you think needs to be changed. You want scaling like every other expansion gear and Nuamoo wants essentially heirlooms with relics.
Nuamoo’s idea actually works if not being redundant compared to the current design, all it does is push more power to the weapon and make relics next to worthless which isn’t good design nor worth the time investment.
Your idea though just doesn’t work. You only get one acquisition for each artifact, you can’t just “scale it like every other expansion” because that only scales gear for when you receive it.
And yet you are asking for them to increase the power further from it’s current base level?
There is no issue with 80 ilvls currently even if it is good, my issue is that you some how want to increase that further which would make it ridiculous.
You can get the artifact weapons up to ilvl 70 with relics.
Yes, I know, but I prefer a system where it scales with your level so if you start legion at level 10, 30, or 40, you will begin with a weapon that is on par with the content you are doing. When you started Legion previously, it was a level 60 weapon that you increased with relics, it actually began at level 100 because the content was level 100. At it stands now, if you enter it at a level above level 20, you are better off using something else for quite some time because the item level is so low. They even used to provide alternative weapons in case you didn’t have an artifact yet to ensure you had a level appropriate weapon.
Seriously, all I’m looking for is a system that allows the artifact, when you pick it up, to be similar in level to what you are and the mobs that you are going to fight. That’s why I’m on the same page as the other poster, we both recognize the issue and are discussing the various ways it could be done. Making artifacts be like heirlooms, and/or changing how relics behave, removing relics and just making the artifact scale, or supplying appropriate level alternatives to the artifact from the quartermaster. There are various possibilities other than the status quo.
You are the person who refuses to even imagine how it could be any different and all you want to do is defend the current system just because you don’t have an issue with it. You are also the only one who wants to never stop arguing with me. You accuse me of making this a big deal, but you also refuse to accept I think differently.
However, many people agree with me, and are happy to discuss how it could be done differently. I think you’ve said all you need to say at this point. You have made your stance clear.
Not defending any system, I’m defending your desire to waste resources “fixing” something that is perfectly sufficient for what it needs to be, especially in a time where there are much more pressing issues with the pre-patch such as quests being unable to be completed, quests being unable to be handed in or picked up, old instance content being scaled horribly, current world content being extremely unbalanced such that players are being unable to kill zandalar rares.
Current artifact situation is irrelevant and fine, especially since the “issue” was only really relevant to players of high levels who were currently doing Legion before the changes.
All new people now doing Legion fall into the following categories they are either a) doing it from scratch as a low level where the base ilvl is appropriate or b) deciding to do Legion after doing other world content, in which case they will already have received current level appropriate weapons which they can continue to use for the 4 quests you need to do until you start getting relics.