My advice to everybody who hasn’t done much legacy loot transmog raids is to bring plenty of bag space.
I think it’s time for a Grummle stand “mount”, which you could pop indoors or in an instance to sell off stuff. Have engineers make it to sell to people who do raids. Bam!, there’s your reason for being an engineer.
But then they’d need some way for raid leaders to distribute loot. Call it “Leader Loot” or something like that.
Not as much as you might think.
Right now there’s only a 20% chance of getting any item at all, if you’re soloing the boss. Bosses differ a bit, but most have between 4 and 6 items on their loot table per spec. There are a total of 55 items that can drop for my warlock’s spec in Antorus (looking at my warlock because that’s who I’m logged into atm), 23 of which are non-trasmog slots (and another 5 are slots irrelevant to my transmogs, cloak and wrists, but I’mma include them for now). That means that I have an average of a ~58% chance that getting an item will give me a trasmoggable item, and an average of 2.91 transmoggable items per boss. Combined with the 20% chance to receive an item in the first place, that’s an 11.6% chance per boss kill, on average, to receive a single transmog item.
For standard loot, there are a total of 230 items that can drop across all bosses, which is an average of 20.9 per boss. This varies considerably by boss, with the 6 bosses that drop tier having 24-26 items on their drop table, and the non-tier bosses having 15-16 (and then Argus having 20, since he can drop every single type of relic due to his itemlevel advantage), but that’s the average.
Since I have ~2.9 transmoggable items per boss, that means that each item that drops has a ~13.9% chance of being a transmoggable item, so even if it was just one guaranteed drop, I’m still better off. However, this is now five guaranteed drops, which means the probability of me getting at least one is 1 - (1 - 0.139)^5 = 52.7%, ~4.5 times higher than currently. Even against just the tier bosses, it’s still a ~46% chance (~4 times higher than currently).
Even if we’re trying to target a specific item off a boss, in the worst-case scenario for the new system. For example, Aggramar, who only drops 4 items for my spec, so higher chances to get what I want via personal loot, but drops 26 items in total, the largest drop pool in the instance. If I killed him solo, I’d have a 20% chance of getting an item at all, and if I got one, a 25% chance that it would be my tier helm, for a net drop chance of 5% per kill. If I kill him on legacy loot, I have a guaranteed 5 items, each of which has a 1 in 26 chance (3.84%) of being my tier helm. With 5 chances, that’s a 17.8% chance per kill that I’ll get at least one copy of my tier helm off him, 3.5 times higher than with personal loot. On the other end of the spectrum, if I were going after an item off Garothi (5 spec items, 15 total drops), my chances under legacy loot rules are 7.3 times higher than under personal loot.
TL;DR: despite the fact that it may appear otherwise, we are substantially more likely to get transmog items in general and any specific item we’re going after under legacy loot rules than under the current personal loot system. Yes, sometimes you may just get a pile of relics and neckpieces, but considering right now you have an 80% chance of getting no items at all, that’s still immensely improved odds. You still won’t be able to walk in and get handed free transmog, but it’s immensely better than the current setup.
That said, I’d also rather like Blizzard to establish a better pattern around this. It was suggested earlier in this thread that legacy loot should unlock as soon as you hit max level in the expansion following (which the buff would still require an additional level beyond that, so the 2nd expansion following), which I’m an immense fan of. It’s not like that loot is at all relevant in the new expansion anyway, so I don’t see why this legacy loot has to be granted in such an ad-hoc and delayed manner.
This is damn true. You’re getting a guaranteed 55 item drops if you full clear Antorus, for example, plus all of the random grey junk that drops. Legacy raid clears take a ton of bag space.
That has nothing to do with the thread??
you attempting to derail another thread?
Ooof, no, was just a copy-paste fail, apparently my “copy” didn’t take. Updated post with the comment I was actually replying to. My bad, didn’t mean to drag you into this one.
Wait, how are the boss chests gonna work with this, do they also get the same 5 item treatment? If so those also sometimes have a chance to drop stuff from a specific boss in them.
By “boss chests”, do you mean the weekly missions that reward the caches? Those wouldn’t change.
No I mean on like Krosus or Gul’dan, I believe at least Gul’dan’s shares an item or two with some of the other bosses.
is there going to be any nerf to mechanics in mythic to make it soloable?
All gucci, lol.
Oh, likely, since the items are independently on each of the two boss’s respective loot tables. If you just meant “boss chest” as in the chest that Krosus leaves behind (and similar for other bosses), then yes. Those chests are the loot drop from the boss, so they are (or rather, will be) under legacy loot rules as well.
I’m so shocked over a positive thing from a blue post, lol.
Thank you guys!
Okay so how do those and like Trilliax and Star augar Etraeus sharing certain item model loot (eagle talon gauntlets as sterilizers insulated gloves) factor into the loot formula? In the very least I’d think this means certain items have a MUCH more elevated chance of being dropped just by frequency.
Uh…what? Loot drops are loot drops. Pieces of loot coming from different sources that have the same appearance don’t really have any impact on what an individual boss is going to drop from its loot table.
Obviously, which wasn’t my point, If two different bosses drop the same item with same appearances/stats doesn’t that basically double said item’s possible chances of dropping in a single run or increase it by whatever the added individual percentiles sum up to be?
It’s what I’ve been waiting for.
This makes me so happy! I’m missing a leg transmog from Helya that would complete my “Pride of Teldrassil” transmog. So excited, and I just can’t hide it!
Great.
When’s the First Mate Hat going to be classified as Cosmetic?
Hey! That thing that should have been available at launch of BfA is finally coming! Awesome!