Leeway here to stay

[Zin-blackrock]

Someone who had low latency would have been affected by this and simply written it off to network speeds, because we weren’t cry-babies.

Why tune modern-day classic based on the struggles of a minority 15 years ago?

[Vedarian-thunderlord]

And while dialup and broadband speeds have increased, people living in LA near the US-West datacenter would have experienced the same amount of latency we do today, in the “Almost on the same network” speeds.

Meaning for them, leeway is unchanged from what it was in Vanilla.

So you want to keep things the same for the minority who had fast internet in 2004 and not the majority who didn’t?

And you’re the same person who is in favor of layering? Man I don’t understand the thought processes of some of you people.

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

“why is the game tuned around the experience of a small percentage of the players who actually had those conditions?”

BINGO

The game was TUNED around majority crap internet… now we dont have that…

So it needs to be removed… Period…

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Man I don’t understand the thought processes of some of you people.

That’s because you can’t differentiate between necessary evil, and authenticity. Whenever possible, take authenticity. Leeway was in the game then, and is in the game now. Spell batching is in the game then, and is in the game now.

Layering is a necessary evil because the player demographics have changed in a way that is destructive to the long term stability of the game if it’s not accounted for.

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

Why tune modern-day classic based on the struggles of a minority 15 years ago?

Who is the minority? People with fast or slow internet…

[Zin-blackrock]

Layering is a necessary evil because the player demographics have changed in a way that is destructive to the long term stability of the game if it’s not accounted for.

I personally find wildly incorrect and inconsistent melee ranges in PVP to be destructive to the long-term health of the game, but what can you do.

[anon94200297]

Just about everyone had regional servers in Vanilla.

Uh, no they didn’t.

The Oceanic servers were moved to Australia at the start of WoD. The Latin American servers are still in mainland USA.

I could say someone living in Houston, would have had the same effect as LA, but back then there were still only 2 data centers, in California and Texas. So only people living near the datacenters got 30ms speeds, but that section of the population would have seen this effect.

Same goes for wherever in Europe the data centers were actually located.

The difference now is that you don’t need to be living in the same city as the data center to be getting 30ms speeds, so the effect is visible to far more people. Blizzard is still producing the same implementation they did in 2004.

And nobody remembers what you are saying is accurate in EXECUTION.

I’ll ask, too. Show the proof. I’m rifling through a metric ton of Vanilla videos and don’t see anything like we see in Classic

None. Nada. I keep looking.

Show me one video. Go ahead. You keep saying it’s working as intended but we’ve seen countless examples of how a BUNCH of stuff isn’t working as intended in Classic.

The burden of proof is on you. Nobody can find videos showing the same leeway we see in classic.

None.

Now you go and find it.

We’ve seen enough videos to show that it ISN’T working as it was. It’s your turn to show it IS.

Put up or shut up.

[Vedarian-thunderlord]

That’s because you can’t differentiate between necessary evil, and authenticity. Whenever possible, take authenticity. Leeway was in the game then, and is in the game now. Spell batching is in the game then, and is in the game now.

Layering is a necessary evil because the player demographics have changed in a way that is destructive to the long term stability of the game if it’s not accounted for.

Here’s what I know. At the moment and for the forseeable future, private servers are offering a much better classic wow experience than blizzard is.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

You keep saying it’s working as intended

No, I keep saying that Blizzard is saying its working as intended. I don’t need to show proof, because I’m not making the claim. I’m pointing at the developers of the game making the claim.

If you claim Blizzard is lying, you need to step up and say so. Pointing at me doesn’t disprove anything Blizzard has said. Every time Davyjones has been asked he’s agreed Blizzard isn’t lying.

We’ve seen enough videos to show that it ISN’T working as it was.

And no evidence that those were recorded by anyone living near the data centers. Put up or shut up was it? The burden of proof is not on me.

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

Because that’s what the game was at Vanilla, and Blizzard is not retuning Classic to change it from Vanilla.

Except that was only an experience for a very limited number of players, and it was only an experience because of those limitations.
Had Vanilla been created this very day, leeway would not have been a mechanic.

It was designed specifically to address a known issue. An issue of which is no longer present. So why does the issue need to be addressed? Knowing that 90% of the players never experienced the game as it is currently playing, and irrespective of the issues that it creates.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

At the moment and for the forseeable future, private servers are offering a much better classic wow experience that blizzard is.

See you on August 27th.

[Awenn-saurfang]

#nochanges

[Zin-blackrock]

No, I keep saying that Blizzard is saying its working as intended.

Let me ask you something different then. Do you agree with the consequences of leeway in a modern setting, or do you think it should be adjusted?

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

Show the proof.

Oceanic Guilds did NOT kill Thad until they moved the datacenters to Australia…

Lag WAS an issue in 2004-2006

UNLIKE it is today…

These #nochangers are just melee scrubs who want to abuse the “as intended” mechanics of a game that while IN the code in 2004 did NOT work how it will in 2019

[anon94200297]

They aren’t lying.

They even ADMITTED it will be a different experience but are keeping the numbers “because reasons”.

That fundamentally alters the meta. Flat out.

There is no ignoring that. You can plug your ears all you want.

The numbers are the same - it’s EXECUTION in today’s world - ISN’T - by Blizzards own admission.

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

Need to check a “what class/race are you playing in a Vanilla thread”.

Ahhh…all Tauren Warriors. I understand now.

[Vedarian-thunderlord]

See you on August 27th.

No, you won’t. If layering is in place you won’t see me at all.

[Awenn-saurfang]

These #nochangers are just melee scrubs who want to abuse the “as intended” mechanics of a game that while IN the code in 2004 did NOT work how it will in 2019

I’m a Hunter, and the only type of person who calls anyone a “scrub” isn’t usually worth listening to.

Oh, #nochanges.

[anon94200297]

See you on August 27th.

No, you won’t. If layering is in place you won’t see me at all.

Cold as ice.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Do you agree with the consequences of leeway in a modern setting, or do you think it should be adjusted?

I think we should get leeway because it was a mechanic back then. We can all enjoy the glorious experience of having further reach.

No, you won’t. If layering is in place you won’t see me at all.