Leave m+ alone

Corruption, agony, unstable affliction, drain soul/drain life and a dot enhancer talent that makes them tick even faster. And for good measure, curse of exhaustion so I can break your legs.

grins maliciously and wiggles toes

Sure, I may die, but you WILL join me.

dangit if i die as u wiggle toes i will take it

Just popping in to remind all the raiders out there (those who are left atleast) that you’ll never be as cool and me and my mythic+ compadres.

Your time is numbered,

We are coming for you,

Just like we came for your time played metrics

Just like we came for your loot

This time

We striking the killing blow and shutting down raiding FOREVER MWUAHAHAHHHH

i will get into u

lol i killed a tauren shammy once

only once, lol

I wish we could co exists peacefully. Raiding is in a bad spot right now. They know the pendulum leans to much on mythic plus. I don’t want your content hacked at the knees. I just want raiding being a worthwhile pillar too.

wiggles toes

It’s hard to sympathise with raiders as a purely M+ Player when they’ve spend the last 2+ years begging for our content to be gutted

To that I say

LOL

I never dig into mythic plus players. In fact, I am thankful to have more options. However, I can understand the righteous indignation.

wiggles toes

I don’t understand this though, why do mythic plus players get mythic ilvl gear for doing 15’s from their boxes and heroic raiders only get heroic ilvl pieces in their box? Seems a bit stingy imo.

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IMHO, every time a player does any sort of grouped content whether it be dungeons or raiding, should get a pc of usable gear(ie. upgrade) each time they participate. I still remember the bickering back in EQ1 when the bosses dropped 2 to 5 pcs of gear for a raid group of 70

Yeah, and EverQuest is all but dead. They have just enough to keep the lights on.

They should get 304s from heroic vault, and mythic raiders should get 311 vault

Is this enough though?

Something is better than nothing.
wiggles toes

You know what

Dungeons are better than raids in terms of design in gear and weapon models and layout of the instance and it’s music.

Bite me.

r group sucks, lets group

i almpst had sex

Anybody who thinks everybody should be forced to do group content is a control freak. It’s interesting that you interpreted “forced group content” to mean “group content is available”, which is not the meaning of that phrase.

bring me ur weak mbt tale murdet

i wil look for u murder

The vault is not the issue, is the amount of loot you get for a full clear and that is limited to 1 time per week. For a full clear you get 2-3 items on average, that is it for the whole week, while in m+ you can run it forever and you can be fully geared in 1 week.

Even if they double the loot from raid from 4 per boss to 8, it would not be enough to compete with m+. Raiding loot needs a complete overhaul with it owns upgrade system and a way to target a few pieces.