That is the most hilarious looking orc I have ever seen, the funny thing is he has the Archimonde hood
Pretty sure he allows those who try to flee to flee. The only ones killed are those helping the wrongdoing of Derrek to the death.
lol they added that âfixâ after people starting talking about it. The fact that he resorts to murder just to help Jaina is pretty telling.
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So? Maybe that was always meant to be implemented, and it was just put out in that first way just to put the initial quest to the test before implementing the sparing mechanic. And one way or another, itâs irrelevant - he only kills people who are complacent in violating Derek.
Canon is canon, even if it bothers you.
Nothing wrong with killing people who will give their lives to protect wrongdoing.
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It actually wasnât. The quest straight up had Baine attack all the Forsaken on that ship. Threads like this Why is Baine okay with killing Forsaken to free Derek? forced Blizzard to add that feature to the quest. Even then, itâs just a pretty big wtf moment for Baine to attack Horde guards. They were doing their job.
Personally Iâm glad that Baine didnât just stand there and do nothing while confronted with immense evil just because the perpetrators were wearing red
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Doing your job isnât an excuse for all evil.
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I just said that might have been an initial implementation, with the sparing to be added later - things in PTR are meant to be added overtime. You have no proof that Baine wasnât always meant to spare the guards, and it simply was just added later on - and you ALSO have no proof that it was threads like that that made the change.
And furthermore, itâs not really relevant, because itâs still what happened. If Baine - the leader of a faction - can wise up and realize what theyâre doing to someone is wrong, so can the guards. A lot of them do. Some of them donât. People who are complacent with violating someoneâs entire free will in order to make they themselves kill a loved one arenât exactly going to net any sympathy points.
Since when did guarding a ship ordered by the Warchief become a crime? You might as well hold the entirety of the Horde, including, Baine responsible for the burning of Teldrassil then. If it wasnât for them, especially Saurfang, Sylvanas would have never got that far.
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You are correct.
A crime? Iâm not saying it is a crime. But raising someone from the grave then brain washing them to kill their family seems wrong to me. Guarding that situation is furthering that.
They certainly share some responsibility for launching a war of aggression.
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Remember when Arthas ordered Uther to commit an atrocity on his own authority as the future High King of the Alliance and he said âYou are not my king yet, nor would I obey that command even if you were?â
That was pretty cool IMO, itâs too bad there arenât any Horde characters able to do the same thing.
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Well hey. You said it, not me.
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Saurfang is responsible for this war. It was his strategy and it was thanks to him Sylvanas made it to Teldrassil. Baine and the others also for not speaking up. And then Baine again for betraying the Horde by helping the very person that massacred DazarâAlor.
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You keep saying this as though itâs a gotcha when pretty much everyone agrees that this is correct.
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Would you rather he help the person who was trying to get the Horde killed in mass to feed their souls to superhell? Baine identified a pattern of sociopathy and cruelty that he correctly surmised didnât jive with what the Horde should be. One might think heâd have done that at Teldrassil, but hey, better late than never.
You keep highlighting Saurfang and Baineâs complacency with the Burning as if weâre overlooking it, but weâre not. Itâs just that his decision to STOP helping this insane womanâs machinations finally was the positive tipping point for him. Him offing people horrible enough to help her with her horrible deeds is fine by me.
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Thatâs what I said. Sylvanas had even worse motives. But all the leaders are partly at fault. Like, I agreeâŚ
Again what? His help aided in ending the war by building cooperation.
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Yeah, this. If Baine does nothing, the rebellion doesnât start (at least not then). The war escalates further, probably continuing on through NâZothâs release, and more people die under Warchief Sylvanasâs rule, all of them going straight to the Maw.
Baine did an objectively good thing here.
Baine is nothing but a traitor. Canât wait to have him killed. Hise useless butt will be burned alive on a pyre outside of Orgrimmar for betraying the Horde to the Alliance. Never again will the Alliance control the Horde actions through their puppet Baine. Down with any alliance symphatizers.
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