You said yourself the deserter debuff is ineffective, so why do you hate that it exists?
Because the only thing it really does it just unnecessarily punish players who were kicked from dungeons unfairly.
So then the deserter debuff is effective. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, if it impacts the innocent players then it impacts the trolls too
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There is no definition of this that can be tracked, will be tracked, or is officially considered “an unfair kick”.
The final say is as such, by Blizzard. They give group agency to players.
If 3 or 4 other people do not want to play with you, they do not have to and can choose to kick for any reason. If you find yourself on the receiving end of repeat kicks, then that is a glaring YOU issue, not a system issue. Find the common denominator.
I have never been kicked in 20 years of this game. Wonder why?
And as if I needed someone to help illustrate my point on what kind of players are defending this policy and doing the kicking themselves…
Look who it is!!!
You listening Rahabim?
These are the people that don’t need, shouldn’t be using RDF in the first place.
You are welcome to go find my posts in support of adding RDF back in Wrath. Now unless you have anything other than personal attacks, I am done replying to you.
I am VERY pro RDF.
I was starting to wonder who that was I keep seeing hidden replies from. Lmao, no wonder
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Adding?
The thought of removing it should have never been contemplated in the first place.
Too bad we can’t say the same about LFR and Cata.
Nevertheless my point stands… RDF is more for players like me than like you.
You were the first to ever offer these simply because you don’t like my stance on arena gear.
I’ve permanently taken the gloves off since just for you and your ilk.
If the purpose of the debuff is curb toxic behavior, then it’s ineffective and unnecessary for that purpose.
It impacts innocent players in a negative way, and it has little to no effect on trolls. So it shouldn’t be there. If you remove it, then the negative effect it has on innocent players is gone, and the trolls are unaffected. There is no need for the debuff in a system where you have unlimited agency to kick players from your group.
As an aside, I read an interesting idea where you keep the debuff but introduce a penalty for excessive kicking. Like, if you kick a certain number of players in a day or a dungeon or whatever, then YOU get a deserter debuff upon completing the dungeon. That’s something I might get behind.
You’re just creating more collateral damage and/or shifting it elsewhere. Someone still stands to be unfairly kicked with that.
There is no better policy than removing the debuff altogether; for being kicked.
The thing is, you don’t. Or at least, you aren’t supposed to - there used to be a system in place where if you repeatedly vote to kick people multiple times in a short period that you would be given a longer and longer cooldown on being able to do so again. Apparently that got removed at some point, or was never added into Classic in the first place - it’s been literal years since I last ever even saw a vote to kick in retail so I have no idea if it’s still in place there
I thought there had to be some kind of limitation on it, but I can’t find it anywhere. I thought maybe Blizzard didn’t want to publish the exact limitations on kicking because players would then abuse them. Are the internal restrictions actually published for us to see?
Forgot I didn’t have him ignored on this toon, and I am not surprised he is still as vitriolic as ever.
I also see he has still not learned what gaslighting means.
It would help if you read the words.
RDF is for whomever wishes to use it. I pushed for it in wrath and I use it pretty much every day. Keep othering people tho, idk what you get out of it though.
Your posts in this thread have no point other than to belittle and demean those who have a minor difference in opinion to you. Self reflect a bit.
Oh cool, you’ve graduated to threats now.
I couldn’t say for sure, I deal with votekicks so infrequently that it’s never really been an issue for me personally
I do recall waaaaaay back in the early days it being a bit of a problem in the opposite direction though, where kicking someone once basically invalidated the entire dungeon and the next several after if the next person that came in decided to be a problem too
But you do huh?
But then again…
I also question your knowledge on what a threat is.
That might be back when RDF was first introduced and I think you could kick like 2 players max in a dungeon. Kick protection also used to be a thing where if you get kicked, you couldn’t get kicked again for an hour or something but that of course was abused.
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How do you know people were kicked unfairly?
That’s only happened to me in lfr back in the day.
Usually if a group makes me so annoyed that I leave, I either walk away or play another character.
Back in the day you used to only have a certain amount of kicks you could initiate, and you would have to complete dungeons to get the ability to initiate a vote kick again.
I don’t think thats how it works anymore though. But that was one of the issues with people wanting to be kicked and not leaving.
One time, the votekick window popped up on another player and the reason said “lol.” Now, I don’t think someone should be kicked for committing the grievous offense of “lol” so I clicked no. He gets kicked anyway.
So I ask why he was kicked. The response was that he was from Faerlina.
I would call that unfair.
No, I don’t know with 100% certainty every time someone gets kicked that it was unfair, but when someone gets kicked right after missing the elevator in TotT and the reason says “missed the elevator”, well it’s not too much of an intuitive leap to assume that was why he was kicked.
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