My 600ms days where way back in BC and Wrath. Over a decade ago.
So you are basically saying, stuff everyone outside the US. You think we should be disadvantaged because you donât want a very minor degree of annoyance during rare occasions where you experience some degree of higher than normal world ms.
You will forgive me if I do not agree. We pay the same sub, the same expansions costs and the same costs for anything else we pay for in relation the game. Yet we should be shoved off into a corner and forced into hour-long queues in a way that would enrage you if it were to happen to you.
No thank you very much.
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Australia is about a decade behind when it comes to internet speeds and infrastructure.
Also Iâve never been kicked for being oceanic, but Iâm sure Iâve been passed up because of it.
Weird, I play from nz on US servers (I just love hanging out with Americans for some reason) and experience around 100 less latency than the aussies here are talking about.
Are you guys on regular broadband or something?
As a side note, back many years ago I used to play on US servers with 480ms, fun times.
Anything over 160 is high for me now. Watching people complain about 80ms is hilarious to me. Itâs barely noticeable.
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Stop marking yourself as a leader and you wonât have this problem. I would vote to kick you as well tbh although at that stage of the instance it wouldnât solve the problem.
If latency doesnât bother you just donât make yourself leader and then others donât have to put up with the lag.
I donât pug a lot but Iâve rarely ran into a situation where it became a problem but honestly Iâm not surprised. Todayâs player seems a lot more rushed and as such a lot less accepting of variables.
Depends on the routing. I usually get 300ms when I am put on oceanic and I can notice that almost immediately.
Well yeah, I said that 80ms is barely noticeable. Youâre talking 300âŚ
Iâm an Oceanic player who plays on US realms, never had an issue kicking anything, everâŚ
Not saying it doesnât suck to be stuffed into a server where your ping is 300ms higher than usual, but I think youâre vastly overplaying how bad it is. WoW isnât some kinda twitch shooter where every second counts.
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My understanding (Which seems to be right from other replies) is that if the group is on an oceanic server (Which it usually is for me as I tick that âmake me the leaderâ flag for that very reason).
So even if somebody was to kick me because of my server, it wonât change their latency at all, theyâd have to disband and requeue as well.
I got kicked on my Disc priest because I was 3rd in DPS and in the words of the super wise Warrior Tank who had a problem with this:
âYou canât DPS as a healer.â
Despite not a single deathâŚ
I love people
I understand your point of view, I was just making a suggestion that would help ensure the situation the OP ran into didnât occur. The only other choice is to continue as we currently are and accept that from time to time, a group while remove you over the performance hit you might bring.
Nothing against Oceanic players.
Yeah, but as someone said in this thread, remove that person, nothing will change. So it is pointless to vote-to-kick someone because of there region.
I donât mean exclude Oceanic from the groups, but rather it should use US servers to host LFG/LFR unless it is a premade from the Oceanic region.
So we would still be mixed together but hosting would always be on US servers unless no US players are present. No change in queue times, just better connections for the majority side all the time instead of a crap shoot.
That way the majority gets the connection they are paying for.
Iâm playing a game developed and sold in the US, that was hosted exclusively on US servers for years(for NA players), I would like to go back to the same standard of quality that we had before Oceanic got its own hosting.
But it actually does in the mid to high tier levels of play.
If you react slowly to an aoe mechanic on most bosses or higher range keystones you will absolutely die every single time and the latency does mess with character positioning. Thatâs why when you suffer higher latency in a pvp setting a moving target is an absolute nightmare if youâre melee because the image youâre seeing isnât actually in that very spot. The delayed image is usually a few feet further ahead of what youâre seeing and that puts you on the back foot.
Then there is the issue that quite a few American players like myself donât just suffer a 300ms increase. It very rarely just stops at 300 and 90% of the time progresses into the 4-500+ range that anyone sitting at a sub 50ms connection will find unplayable and impossible to deal with. Just the issues it causes on your muscle memory alone for rotations is a big deal to most people.
As I said above I still invite players from oceanic to runs all the time. But since Iâm hosting they usually are the ones paying the price of latency. Iâve even ran in a few oceanic keystones where my latency took a turn for the worst, but I always prep for that by doing lower keys where my sub optimal performance wonât hinder their completion time since most of the mechanics sub+5 arenât very life threatening.
I definitely get what youâre trying to say. However, you shouldnât downplay the impact it has on performance as itâs extremely jarring in most situations even if youâre used to it.
So, the only answer for you is to let the Oceanic Suffer all the time except for some small cases while the US Players gets more love pushed towards them? Because that is not how it all works.
Gotta remember, vast majority of the time, most groups are US, and the only time when most groups are Oceanic are more during Oceanic Peak Times which I am uncertain of when that actually is.
Well, thatâs easy. Same thing everyone else gets told, form your own group. This game maybe developed in the US, but doesnât mean it is a game design to only be for the US to play. Sold worldwide, and everyone is entitled to play it, regardless of what region they are from.
Us Oceanics are also entitled to play the game without lag as well. But weâre also entitled to do things with everyone and not get kicked for being in a different region.
Majority of instances I run are put on US instance servers, yet you donât see me rushing to the forums crying about it, or trying to kick people from US realms.
Since Aussies are used to 200ms, we donât act like entitled children when it comes that high doing instanced content.
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The point I am trying to (apparently unsucessfully) make is that for the vast majority of the time, you do get that service.
Last night I took an alt into Stromgarde, during night Oceanic play (which would have been about 4 or 5am Pacific US time). Even at that time, my world ms sat at about 175. So at peak Monday night time for me and seriously off peak local time for American players, I still had this issue.I canât even remember the last time I did a current expansion WQ at local server ms numbers.
Its almost as if your wish for automatic placement of all players onto a US server shard happens anyhow. And its also possible that other factors are affecting both our world ms at such times - things like the inclusion of South American players, problems with sharding, the weird parthing that has apparently been happening throughout the game, and so on. We may all be affected in this way, and to put the blame only on having people from here in the group may not be entirely justified.
You missed the point and managed to toss out another pointless insult.
But you keep doing you.
When I play games that are located outside of the US I take whatever latency issues I have and go with it. I made the decision to play a game that has servers nowhere near my point of origin. While some people might come here and suggest outlandish things like total segregation of communities based on real world locations, Iâd say itâs fair to assume that the vast majority of us donât think this way.
So instead of a dismissive attitude and childish insults to an entire country of people who all have their very own differing opinions, why donât we keep this ship upright so the points youâre trying to make donât fall overboard.
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The OCE servers, and the OCE instance servers are located in Australia.
So you should expect to be put onto an oce instance server once in a blue moon.
The first one was a joke, if you read the post you would know.
But i forgot that some people in the US take things at face value and think everything in an insult.
And yes, I do feel that some people from the US act like entitled children who should only get what they want. Several posts in this thread support this. To the point where they say âgood, you deserved to be kickedâ or âMake it so I donât get put with OCE people periodâ. Sometimes both.