No, it is a system that is working as it is intended. Just because you might want to fully clear out everything in a dungeon, doesn’t mean everyone else is going to want too. The vote-kick was designed to give players agency over who to play with, etc, and if the group doesn’t want you for any or no reason at all, and a vote-kick pass, means the system is working.
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i cant argue with that…i mean yea youre absolutely right if three people hit the kick button than sure. its working…but is that actually a good thing? the point im trying to make isnt about the kicking itself. people can play however they want…my point is that the flying through everything and skipping stuff isnt good overall for the life of the game. if you choose to do a dungeon then you should know that you are choosing to be sitting for awhile. thats what was so amazing about the game in years past. people loved it…sub numbers were a hell of a lot higher back in the day then they are today. it was a more enjoyable experience and something to look forward to when you sat down to play it felt like you were actually accomplishing something even if you had done it 100 times…today its a race and there is no sense of accomplishment. nobody talks, nobody does mechanics, nobody even cares about almost any of it all the way till the bleeding edge of deep endgame is the only place where you will find people actively thinking about what they are doing…when 99% of the game is nothing but a zerg fest and get to the end without trying…players get bored. which…can be viewed in game for all to see with que times and less and less people playing…
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Well, lets put it this way:
If the vote-kick didn’t exist:
- how would we deal with a toxic person while in a dungeon?
- how would we deal with someone who just purposely AFK?
- how would we deal with someone who pulls unwanted items to just keep killing everyone in the instance.
And if the deserter buff was removed again after being kicked:
- Are we happy to deal with tanks and healers holding groups hostages again every time they get queued into a dungeon they don’t want.
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If it’s TW dungeons then a couple of things first those quests reward like 5 gold not really worth extra time no matter how small.
Second, if someone really wants the quest rewards they can fly there and solo it in like 5 minutes without impacting anyone else.
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yea like i said its working i wont argue…but the kicking of people who wanna do full clears doesnt really pretain to any of that stuff…doing a full clear shouldnt be considered toxic…it should just be required and then all of that other stuff wouldnt have to change at all…people could still be kicked for any of that stuff its just that everyone in the group would know…everythings gotta die.
There is a reason the ‘journey’ stopped being the focus, people complained about it and blizzard made the change to an end-game focused game, I’m glad they did and only wanna see the journey return if they are going to make the journey FUN.
If you want to do a full clear, get friends and do the full clear. People shouldn’t have to be forced into doing a full clear because you want too.
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thats fair. but again…not good for the game.
This is on just the basis of your opinion though, and not actual facts.
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the facts are sub numbers and how much people enjoyed the game in the past vs the level of toxicity that exists today.
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Just a heads up OP, all the clowns in this forum would probably boot you.
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Disagree, a lot of people don’t want to do the whole dungeon so your “fix,” if requiring full dungeons would be a negative to lots of people.
If you’re leveling then the end dungeon reward is usually worth much more than extra mobs and optional bosses.
If you’re doing TW the only thing an optional boss gives is 10 badges, you can answer a question at the event for 5 in like five seconds.
If you’re max level doing heroics people probably are just filling vault slots so want the completed dungeon no extra stuff.
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I gave up on full clears well over a decade ago. If I want to full clear an old dungeon, I out-level it and then do the full clear, quests and all.
There’s going to be a fresh Classic server too, if you want to really full clear a dungeon with all the original quests.
Well if 3 of us “clowns,” voted to kick him it would work as that’s how the system is.
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No wayyy, had no idea that’s how it works
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Sub numbers could be for any reason, but I can garentee though, it wouldn’t off been from vote-kicked out of the dungeon, otherwise we’ve would’ve seen a drop in sub numbers from the time it was added in th Icecrown patch in Wrath of the Lich King, and Cataclsym.
This proves nothing.
Like seriously, do you have actual facts Mr. I’ve been playing since day 1?
There was far more toxicity within the game past than there is today. Because the difference is it is easier to deal with the toxicity today than it was previously.
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i mean…im not sure what facts you need other than long que times, an empty friends list, people fighting over absolutely everything and just a general sense of boredum these days. shrugs…its been changing over 20 years to tell someone to define exactly why is just simply impossible. but i promise you, a big part of the overall decline is becaues of playstyle and speed of everything being instant…and if its not instant people complain…its been made this way over a long period of time by people who skewed pretty far from the original design and playstyle of the game. some of this is obviously inevitable people move on…but getting them to come back to a completely different game than they once loved is next to impossible…why…cause they dont wanna play a zergfest.
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Source for the part being underlined.
Yeah, and I remember back in TBC and Wrath before the dungeon finder sitting in LFG channel just to find a tank? 
Being in queue for 10 minutes isn’t as long as it was just trying to find a tank in the chat.
Sounds like a you problem.
First day of playing WoW? People always thought over everything.
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so…you have your “opinions” as i have mine. this is turning into a pissing contest…and honestly i have no idea why.
id like to see full clears for instanced content…you wouldnt. cool. lol…
im not going any farther down this rabbit hole.
i wish you a very good day.
While I don’t disagree with you I also can’t totally agree as a lot of things you’ve citing happen in every online game not just WoW.
I would say that the playerbase, gamers, and just people’s attitudes have changed a lot in 20 years.