In my opinion taking out ALL bosses should yield some kind of extra reward. Perhaps a minor item level boost on whatever the endboss drops.
this i can totally agree with. its not all the games fault the world in general has changed pretty dramtically and so have the people in it and their expectations of what they do with their time…this is absolutely true and something i seem to forget sometimes.
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The overall decline is because of poor story decisions, grinds, timegating, disrespect for player time, FOMO rot, rampant bugs, political correctness and the opinions of the dwindling handful of no-lifers who play the game 24/7 given far too much weight by Blizzard’s devs. And the cherry of top was Blizzard seemingly doing everything it possibly could to waste what little goodwill it had from players left. (“Do you not have phones?” “You think you do, but you don’t.” “Pull the ripcord.”)
I loved vanilla. I cannot do it again. The style of game does not allow me to have a life. 1% of players ever got to see the inside of a raid back then, because the requirements were so time-consuming.
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yea that is true too…the no lifing did kinda take up too much time i gotta agree with that. there were whole weeks i didnt see the sun back in the day that is true. i guess theres a middle ground somewhere. if i sat and thought about it long enough im sure i would probably end up agreeing with most of the people who like to do stuff fast…but i also think there is some sort of spot where everyone should be on the same field as far as whats expected of them. maybe not full clears…or, maybe just lessen the amount of trash or something. im not sure. but the skip it mentality…is not one im very fond of.
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Yup the only reason I bring it up is because I also play Dead By Daylight for example, and those forums people seem to complain about a lot of the same things.
In fact I bet most game forums you visit probably think their community is the most toxic lol.
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I hate how anti-social this game is it drives me up the wall.
I tanked a time walking dungeon for the weekly. First dungeon I’ve done in a while because of how much they honestly suck to do because of the anti-social nature of the game.
I was going fine. Grabbing tons of mobs. Aoeing them down. Pretty much half the dungeon every time. Nobodies dying. Barely if any lost agro. Then, all of a sudden, I’m out of the dungeon. I don’t know what I did. I don’t know what I can improve on. And I’m confused.
I haven’t done a dungeon since.
And what’s with Guilds in this game. They refuse to talk in the in-game chat. You have to join their discord, but none of them link it in any way. Every single one I’ve joined, I’ve had to do the work of finding their link all because it would’ve killed them to copy and paste it into the chat.
I can’t wrap my head around why it’s like that.
And it’s so bad I honestly want Discord to die. Nothing against it’s a useful program, but it’s turned this game mute.
Honestly, in my game, nobody ever talks. Literally ever. Not in zones. Not in dungeons. Not in guilds.
I’m about to turn it off completely.
And I get it. Just join their discord, but would you put effort into a group of people that have already shown you absolutely no respect already in the short time you’ve known them? Even if magically in that discord they become my best friends, they still ignored me completely before.
Sorry about the rant. This game is terrible for it.
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There’s an unspoken rule to try to be efficient. If you skirt the line, generally people will tolerate, if you start to go out of bounds, then people will get fed up.
True but what about their fascist fantasies of ruling four strangers with a iron grip? Don’t we have to take that desire into the equation?
there is a boatload of truth to this and its because the instant gratification playstyle…the reason the game was more community based in the past was because it took actual conversation to get through the content. today…99% of the game requires zero conversation and unlike the past going slow at all is considered toxic. so everything has been turned into a single player speed run to see who can finish whatever first…three months into any expansion when a game is like this…leads to people having zero reason to talk to eachother and in fact makes it so when people do talk to eachother there is almost always going to be a massive difference in opinion because they all got there so fast and so easy nobody actually has any real idea of what the heck is going on…this…is bad design.
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Imagine loading up a game and wanting fun off the bat rather then providing free carries to the player base.
When will the madness end!
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Or that it’s just a game.
Your own verbiage alone speaks volumes about your character.
It’s no longer a dungeon we are doing it’s a carry. Crap I didn’t realize I could just afk and stop playing, and you will pick up my slack.
Seriously, who hurt you? What is wrong with you people.
Every damn thing isn’t a competition. A random person out in the world isn’t going to care that your king in a video game.
Stop it. Get some help.
I disagree personally but you are asking for the ability of one to rule over the majority. Players rather they didn’t.
I thought the Random Dungeon Finder was what killed the games “social experience”. So now you’re saying it’s Discord, an app that came out in 2015? It was not Skype or anything social app prior? Or, it could very well be the simple fact that this game already had toxic players. Your anger is misdirected.
I’m asking people to act like people. Not the smashing rocks together to make fire kind of people, but people.
Here’s a fun thought experiment. You go out looking for a job. You find one. They hire you great. Your job is filing paperwork. It said it on the website that accepted your application. You get to work. Giant office building. So naturally, you try to spark up conversation with your new coworkers. They say nothing. You try to shrug it off. It’s incredibly rude, but you’re the new person here. You file the paperwork. Sometime around lunch after not having any interactions with anyone, a person hands you a pink slip. You’re done. You got fired. You don’t know why you got fired, but you’re fired.
Would you think fondly about that job?
That’s my guild and dungeon experience in a nutshell.
What a fun GAME I am playing.
Again, my point still stands.
I started playing now. This is the problem now. In the here and now. Not some nebulous time period.
And no Discord is a symptom of a problem.
You guys are the problem. The ones who refuse to show any form of common decency. The ones who kick for no reason. The ones who can’t even muster up a link to their precious Discord. Their holy tabernacle! Goodness gracious, I’ve seen the light! They let me in! And then they’re the same toxic d bags that could utter a few words on a keyboard in a chat adjacent to their game.
You can defend it all you want. You’re gonna come off as stupid, but I can’t stop you.
Mean people are people not saints. If you enter group content with strangers and cause problems they remove you. I don’t explain to the screaming homeless man on the bus why the seats don’t double as toilets. I watch him be removed my law enforcement.
But what did I do wrong going as faster than everyone else as a tank? I wasn’t shouting from the rooftops or crapping on a bus seat. I was participating in the content. I wasn’t going into business for myself. And I got kicked. And because of the crippling nature of the social death of this game, I don’t even know why. I don’t know how I could ever improve. I guess I just suck at tanking. Better quit!
Hilarious coming from you
As much as I think it sucks to get booted from a dungeon unfairly, as someone who does random dungeons ALOT… like ALOOOOOOOOOOT… I feel that 95% of the time things go just fine. It’s that 5% range where odd behavior takes place. Most people are chill and most runs are smooth. There’s always going to be the rare situations when you have people afk, people being toxic, or things just going completely south. I think I’ve gotten vote kicked from a dungeon once… maybe twice? That was many moons ago.
See you figured it out. Think of it like electrocuting every wrong key on a piano to teach someone how to play it. The community is a timely and patient teacher.