I would not disagree. I didn’t bring up RDF in the first place – someone else did and I was replying.
All from low level sock puppets with no post history. 
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The vote kick isnt dumb, its the people using it for nefarious bs. I kicked a healer last night from H PoS, not because they were bad or bad gear, but they DC’ed. I pulled a few more enemies while waiting and they never came back so they got the boot.
The rules of the game is 210ilvl for gammas. Not 232/245. Why are you even in there if you have that ilvl?
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My understanding (and I could be reading this wrong) is that part of the issue is that some of those with 210ilvl gear have cheese gear. Warriors wearing spell power rings or mages wearing strength helmet or pvp gear, etc to cheese the system to get the the ilvl required for gammas.
After they cheese the gear they have not encountered the new mechanics because they went from fresh 80 to gamma dungeons so they have zero clues about wraps, frosts, mirror images, etc.
huffing that copium. no one geared trying to speedrun want to struggle thru a gamma because typically lower GS don’t know mechanics, and do 2-3k dps less than the tank. Its quality of life, if you have already put the work in, you aren’t trying to carry randoms.
I highly doubt many people do this. It suggests that gear useful for their actual spec is somehow super rare compared to random gear that does nothing for them.
People who “cheese” the ilvl are also probably more likely to be doing it very temporarily in a group with people who won’t get mad at them and very quickly get the actual gear they need queuing with friends in gammas rather than expecting pugs to deal with it.
I got to 232 ilvl just capping honor while leveling and doing some games once I hit 80 (I wouldn’t have needed to do that much, but I did this just before the patch came out so I got PvP gear in every slot while waiting). Even though PvP gear has more stam and less other useful stats, you still seem to outgear the difficulty of gamma. Only things like ToC are challenging (especially if your group doesn’t have/use many interrupts).
Most people understand you don’t get to choose who you group with when you queue without a full group. If you want to dictate how geared your group is, you form a group and then queue together in a 5 man.
Even though my 80 druid just got to 80 a week ago, I frequently ougear people I do gammas with when solo queueing. I don’t care because I’m not delusional and don’t need to convince myself I’m special.
Vote kick is not intended to be a gear check feature and most people do not use it as one because they have functioning critical thinking skills.
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Make your own group if you don’t want to deal with randoms.
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don’t worry RDF will fix everything
Man accuses someone of huffing copium, then turns around and claims a random queue full of random players should have to bow to his specific demands, instead of…forming his own groups that meet said demands
The jokes write themselves, y’all
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Noone said it would?
Just that it would fix specific problems which it does.
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This, but yet we have the same 3-4 people in every thread defending RDF till the end. I would say 1/5 runs(yes I really do think I see that many vote kicks or groups that wipe enough for multiple people to leave) has unfavorable experiences for people and I’m nearing 100 dungeons across 3 characters, but I’ve been told that my experiences must be fake because they aren’t having them. (Also, not anti-RDF, but I won’t put my head in the sand and pretend like the tool couldn’t be improved on and should be.)
All of this is gamma dungeons, I have no clue how RDF functions or handles at other levels of play, so I won’t speak to that.
Then they use well those posters are sock puppet defense. I don’t know if they are or not, but I started my post count at 1 and it was because I was frustrated about the game and the direction they were taking it. Most people don’t start coming to the forums because they are happy with the game and they have to start at 1 post.
Well, you’d be wrong.
I’ve done dozens of gammas. I’ve done enough to get a full t9 set and some other stuff.
Never noticed if anyone was doing it so it either is rare or isn’t impactful.
Actually I suppose the few sub 4k GS people I’ve seen may be doing this, but I’ve even had a tank that was sub 4k and we still completed the dungeon fine, so if he was doing it it didn’t seem to matter that much.
You are posting on a 19 alt, good chance this is all bull anyway.
Then don’t queue with randoms. I just finished my daily RDF and the tank AND a dps were 4.9gs. Didn’t have a single issue.
The self-importance of some people is unreal.
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Had they put it as it use to work…it would have.
They decided they didn’t want you in their group. They’re allowed to do that, you know.
In your report, what actual rule did you say they had broken? Or did you just make one up?
Obviously. The original Wrath devs were actually competent, which is why they put in that 15 minute grace period before Vote kicks can be initiated. Also why if you got vote kicked you didn’t get the deserter debuff, because that only empowers the elitist trolls.
The Classic ‘devs’, on the other hand, are completely incompetent and make changes to the system that causes more toxicity and gatekeeping.
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While vote kicking is extreme and something I wouldnt support, there are people hovering on the greed line a bit much. They are queuing as tanks in literal pvp or trash fill-in gear to make the min cutoff and they play horribly. The issue I have with that approach is you are expecting the rest of people to carry you to gamma gear while you didnt want to bother with the time/effort to start at alpha/beta/heroics.
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wrong, the rules of the game is 250 aka 5.3kgs at least so you don’t grief and respect everyones time. Stop being selfish just cause you want to get carried, like I said they’re not charity runs, follow the gear progression properly and get more ilevel before joining gammas.