I think they both have their place. There is no doubt that consistently playing with a good team of ten players can be alot of fun. The hard part is being able to field a consistent good team of ten players. That is where people give up.
They aren’t giving up because 10v10 sucks. They are giving up because the process of even getting to the point of having a team good enough to be worth fielding is too time consuming and inconvenient.
I get that. It’s never going to be perfect and there will always be classes stronger than others, it’s been that way forever.
Like Oozo said, players will pick whatever is the strongest and leave the rest behind. That is not inclusive gameplay. Yeah, nature of the beast, but is it best served in an MMO when players are being left out?
All I see is players saying the new format is not inclusive.
As far as I see it, it’s actually more inclusive because I can play enhanced, ret, surv huntard, feral, frost DK and not worry at the beginning of an expansion what will be meta.
I did not read or watch any interviews that stated that RBGs we’re going away. I did see the interview where it was mentioned that battleground blitz was going to be a
more developed and primarily used format. We could assume a whole lot of things, what came to mind for me was 8 man rbg’s being a possibility, with some or all of the battleground blitz type game rules while still being able to select what seven other players are playing with you.
Counter point 10v10 didn’t work and Arena killed PvP in this game. I’m all for them moving forward and doing “NEW” things since that recent 10 years didn’t work for PvP. Sorry to say PvP has been terrible and stale for many expansions. It hasn’t been good since WoD.
Now all they need to do is remove the AWC and competitive Arena. Then balance PvP around 8v8 RBGs and PvP might have a good future.
Blizzard, please reconsider removing 10v10’s.
The people I play with almost everyday I’ve met through rbg’s. This is our go-to activity, our group is too big for anything else pvp-related and we just enjoy playing this way together. Replacing rbg’s with rated solo q feels like a slap in the face to the entire rbg community. Instead of scrapping it altogether, why can’t we do something about all the boosters, incentivize players to participate, and add in new maps? Losing this game mode would personally take a huge blow to me and my friends enjoyment of the game. Really hoping they reconsider this decision, or at the very least allow friends to still be able to queue together.
i play only leveling 10-59 battlegrounds on random toons that i’m altaholicing on, but i hope they don’t delete RBGs as it’s nice to look up and idolize you guys and gals as people who are doing what they should be doing in game and not messing around on lowbie alts.
This is such a weird take always. Countless MMOs have some variation of larger themed battles or reliance on pure World PVP; all of which quickly die and have very little retention. Wow is in its 20th year and Arena is 17 years old. Arena has actually sustained Wow and created its most memorable PVP moments - Cdew finally winning, Cdew losing with Fabss making the most insane plays to peel, etc. There is a reason Ashran heroes are based on famous Arena masters as was the Legion World PVP Quest.
Creating greater accessibility is a priority, and if building a solo queue entry into rated content and also fills vault is the answer, so be it and that is positive. We definitely need help to get new players into rated. I have advocated that queue should going into existing legacy 3s and 10s, not a separate shuffle/blitz system that creates ridiculous spread and queues. However, that aside, the point is, that should not come at the expense of gutting legacy systems, and especially the main competitive PVP format where skill expression is at its absolute highest. Arena has done the exact opposite of what you suggest; just look at Hydra 8 and Reckful 3 and compare the inspiring plays that have been copied versus watching a battleground montage (incredibly boring). The fact that Wow has lasted this long and provided a persistent world for our characters to be of drinking age now says what an absolute success the game is, but that the macroenvironmental world of MMOs and barriers to entry are the challenge.
mayb u r unfamliar with abomb the afker
why is this a bad thing
Each to their own. Arena (stupendously boring) is also the most hated aspect of PVP, and only a small % are very, very successful at it. For most, it’s too sweaty and boring.
I played it back in the day, and although I enjoyed my brief flirt with it, I knew it was not for me.
As for the names you quoted, while undoubtedly good players in their discipline, most are self-centered streamers who only really care about one aspect of the game. Meh.
Our community is quite passionate 
I don’t think so. PvP was at it’s pinnacle in TBC/Wrath and it wasn’t because of Arena. When they started to balance PvP around 3v3 it ruined PvP in this game. Since it goes against the Class design for an MMO. Which are larger scale battles, WPvP and BGs.
When I think of Iconic PvP I remember Swifty’s Warriors tips and tricks. His 1v1 vids. Athene and the wonderful BG montages we had.
Arena is a mini-game that doesn’t fit into WoW and should of never been focused on. It derailed what PvP could of been in this game which was something special. So because of that I have a deep resentment for Arena and how it helped destroy WoW and it’s PvP.
PvP needs to get back to Class roles. There should be Tanks, Dps and Healers that are required for objectives and be dam good at those roles. Modern PvP has done everything to eliminate roles because it doesn’t work for Arena (which again no one cares).
Arena players make up a minority of PvP players. Most PvPers don’t want to do Arena and have no interest in that mini-game. People don’t tune into the AWC and hopefully it gets discontinued. My original statements are true.
I see 2 groups in LFG right now.
2185 cr and 1858 cr…
Can respect this sentiment totally. In the same way you can most likely understand, now that there is gossip about the fate of RBGs, and blood is in the water for some, doesn’t mean this should ever extend to Arenas, which should still be celebrated as an exhibit for those interested in seeing the skill ceiling of their classes.
You know that every game premised on huge combat has failed miserably and hasn’t had anywhere near the retention of Wow - 17 years of Arena? I actually was in the team that achieved the first NA Emperor in ESO, and we all left quickly after because it is incredibly stale. Huge combat, like Ashran, fails. GW2 WvW, enjoyable then quickly meh.
On the point of balance, I would agree that there are little tweaks possible to elevate balance in 10v10s (and have no affect at all on Arena) - such as capping targets, lifting HPS over multiple targets, and all the RBG advocates above are continually the people who actually make very poignant observations how to fix things. It’s really bad when 6 classes are less represented than 1 spec (Mistweaver) above 2400.
However, there is no mutual exclusitivity here. There’s no need to hate and kill Arena to see Solo Queue succeed. There’s no need to hate RBGs to see it succeed either. And none of us here, are saying solo queue as a concept is bad beyond it splitting people into multiple streams and thus creating huge queue times; it is best to see those queues integrate into existing systems.
Neither arena nor ten man rated BGs need to be killed for solo queue to succeed. Solo queue will be popular independently of what happens with arena and ten man RBGs.
And, the people who will do solo queue RBGs are not likely to be the same people that would be very active in ten man RBGs or 2v2/3v3 arena anyway. I do suspect that solo queue RBGs will hurt rated solo shuffle participation a lot, however. Mainly because healers are going to find solo q RBGs much more attractive than rated solo shuffle. Queue times for rated solo shuffle are going to be far worse than they are right now, which is already bad.
That’s because most PvP players don’t do Arena. The PvP participation has gone down because Arena and Esports have hurt the PvP player base.
Something I hope Ion finally understands and why doing a new BG is far more important for PvP. Why doing 8v8 and new types of larger PvP is important.
Arena has done nothing but hurt PvP overall as I explained since it’s inception. It doesn’t work in this type of game and has never worked.
From Day 1 PVP has been the orphan in WOW, receiving little love or attention from the DEVs. They killed large scale 40 man bgs with the release of Legion, to keep “premades” from happening, but the only ones it stopped were Horde ones. MILLIONS left the game and went to PRIVATE SERVERS to play for free just so they could PVP. I sent a pro forma on that to Bobby Kotick back then documenting all the private servers and all the people who gave up on Blizzard. They did nothing UNTIL they released Classic. Now they tell us they are doing away with RBGs - the #1 reason I have played this game for TWENTY YEARS NOW. They give lip service to player councils, etc. but they don’t ACTUALLY listen to the player base EVER. I’m glad I didn’t spend my money on the next xpack, unfortunately someone else purchased it for me. It’s not just the end of an era it’s the end of the game for anybody that is here for the PVP and not the Pirate World junk or the dungeons. I could care if I ever go into pve in this game EVER.
You - RBGs might be going so here is my opportunity to be a hostile person and free for all. I want to hurt Arena too so I can feel good
it smellz like my grammas nursing home 4 sum reazon