We can't win in a straight fight. We've never been able to win a straight fight, that's nothing new. The Horde has always sort of been the type to capitalize on good fortune, and hit an enemy where they're weak (and if you're a Bilgewater or Forsaken, you'll liable to play SUPER dirty to do it too).
11/14/2018 07:12 PMPosted by JellexWe can't win in a straight fight. We've never been able to win a straight fight, that's nothing new. The Horde has always sort of been the type to capitalize on good fortune, and hit an enemy where they're weak (and if you're a Bilgewater or Forsaken, you'll liable to play SUPER dirty to do it too).
Have they not taken pains to say that the factions are of roughly equal strength in the past? When did the Horde become unable to fight the Alliance in a normal battle?
Literally who? I had to look him up on Wowpedia and it says the only thing he's ever done is you have to click him during 1 quest once. You are kind of proving my point...11/14/2018 07:25 AMPosted by Droité11/13/2018 09:22 PMPosted by HahahahahahaThrowing away some lvl 1 trash mobs when there are LITERALLY infinitely more of them means nothing.
Did a single named character sacrifice themselves? Geblin got an upgrade for 8.2, and Jaina is completely fine 30 seconds later chatting it up with the Alliance leaders.
Blademaster Telaamon sacrifices himself on the Suicide Mission
11/14/2018 07:20 PMPosted by Hahahahahaha<span class="truncated">...</span>Literally who?
Blademaster Telaamon sacrifices himself on the Suicide Mission
11/14/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Verlius11/14/2018 01:01 PMPosted by Akiyass...
Being condicending while claiming to be on my side makes me inclined to not take you seriously...
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Then stop playing Horde is you feel bad for playing Horde.
Or the story could be fun for everyone?
11/14/2018 07:34 PMPosted by YritheHorde posters seem to be really doubling down on this 'fun' thing in a thread about kaldorei vengeance, interestingly enough.
11/14/2018 08:23 PMPosted by Jellex11/14/2018 07:34 PMPosted by YritheHorde posters seem to be really doubling down on this 'fun' thing in a thread about kaldorei vengeance, interestingly enough.
I would venture to guess that's because "Kaldorei vengeance" involves punishing Horde players for events that they neither really wanted nor liked. This is not very fun.
That said, I bet BfA WOULD have been more pleasing if it had been written as a series of super epic clashes starring all the unique stuff from each side's different races and there was a little bit more of a seesaw/running battle feel rather than these huge haymakers that take up an entire patch.
I was sympathetic. It was a sucky thing for Blizzard to do to you, and theyâve pretty much admitted they deliberately wanted to hurt you so youâd want to go to war. If youâre lucky, youâll get something good out of it in the long run, but it was absolutely meant to be painful in the short run.
As for the first, there are a lot of idiots on the internet. Those things probably mostly came from people who arenât really invested in the story anyway. And as for the second, all I can say is that itâs a very human response for the main focus to be on how a new development affects you personally.
I know. Weâve all had a rough past few months. Itâs like all our sore spots are getting rubbed over and over until theyâre raw.
Roughly, but not exactly. For example, in âA Good Warâ, Saurfang concedes that Orgrimmar, despite the work heâs done on it, remains more vulnerable to a siege than Stormwind. (And being the only person whoâs conquered both cities, heâs a bit of an expert on the subject.) And that fact is part of what Sylvannas uses to convince him to back her campaign.
There isnât going to be any âmeaningfulâ revenge. My suspicions give me three main theories. Itâs going to be another wet noodle victory like MoP. If not that, then the Alliance might actually lose this one, and the way things are going I am seeing hints of this. Finally, they could be doing away with the faction system in total and you will see Orcs and Tauren in your Goldshire chilling without fear of retaliation.
I have other smaller theories. It could be the beginning of a third faction, or perhaps a restructuring of current factions. One dominated by Forsaken and one a union of the living races. Or they could be setting the scene for a new Warcraft RTS game that has 4 factions again, and the Night Elves and the Forsaken are going back to where they shouldâve gone. That is of course, being their own factions.
Teldrassil was Syvlanas and revenge for Teldrassil is Sylvanas.
Getting revenge on the entire Horde for âsinâ of winning a war is another thing. Just like there was no revenge for Stormheim, there was no revenge for Dalaran, there is no ârevengeâ for Darkshore. (Unless Blizzard just doubles down on the Horde being villains, which would probably just lead to the end of game.)
Can you clarify what qualifies as âactual revengeâ as opposed to, I suppose, fake revenge?
eye for an eye.
thatâs my definition of revenge.
So it isnât actual revenge until theyâve killed an equivalent amount of Forsaken and destroy a hypothetical city?
So pyrrhic victories are ones were you devastate the capital and major part of a Horde zone? I think you need to revisit the definition. I like how you list loosing Teldrassil but not Undercity. But 8.1 has made it clear Darkshore is still under contention, but there is no sight that Tirisfal is anything but gone (I mean, most of it is uninhabitable.)
Stomp our way until we reach a capital before the reinforcements arrive,destroy it, murder all the civilians possible,in a particularly painful way and then we can say that we get our revenge.
donât forget the evil smirk and being a TaCTICAL GeNiuS
it has to be with the specific intent of giving âa wound that cannot healâ.
bonus points if our attack isnât justified (too late for that)
Sounds pretty close to the Siege of Undercity.
It also sounds like a dumb standard for what is or is not revenge if âdoing literally the same thingâ is the only qualifier.
If you want to be like the Horde, you can just play on the Horde. Switch from Worgen to Pandaren. Youâre already furry.
Is not the only one, is the minimum. i will be totally okay with the escalation also to more cities.
i actually have horde characters at 110 that i could not bring myself to play this xpac for how disgusted i was with the pre patch and the intro scenario i almost deleted my horde characters.
i donât want to be like the horde, is impossible to be it,the alliance is justified in ANYTHING, retribution is also one of the alliance ideals. maybe we should explore that a little and what happens when you taunt someone who you donât want to taunt, this is what the horde wanted, so be it. they want blood? they can have it.
Their blood.
Okay sorry for my hate rant on the horde,is just how i feel.
If your minimum for revenge is âdoing literally the same thingâ as a qualifier, it is a dumb standard.
And yet you are positing scenarios for the Alliance to do exactly the same thing. Such as murdering civilians.
Maybe if you believe in amorality, I suppose.
and what do you suggest that we do then?, that we let them kill us all?
so is fine that they kill our innocents but we canât attack theirs?
i donât care being âlike the hordeâ They asked for this.
i donât want to hold hands or forgive them. next time a bid bag show up, screw them, the world would be better without them.
it is moral? it is heroic? it is good? nope. but that would be better than seeing alliance characters sacrificed in the altar of neutrality.
Azeroth deserve to die, and is all the hordeâs fault.
Yeah, i would rather die before working with the horde.