They already are coming back in this new expansion. How does trashing them worse make it better?
I really have no clue how, if or how Keal is going to be back… and as exited as this makes me it also worries me… a lot. I’m hoping Belves DH who story is they follow Kael and Illidan to Shadowlands or does who did fought him get a special dialog for that special RPG goodness! 
However it opens up a lot of possibilities for future content…like new races, classes or specs in case of DH (if Blizz ever decided to add them) and adding so much to story who use the power of Death… or even if Silver Moon will finally get an update!
With a bit of Work the Dead Scar and Dar’khan former base could become part of the a restore city for any Undead Elves that might return. (IMO)
Wait… Dar’khan… no he could not been… do you guys think that guy is still around in Revendreth causing all that unrest?
Hmmm Blizz mention Keal was after someone there… there also dialog about how much anima Keal has… hmmm well he did absorb a LOT of power alive in BC and later had a Fel Crystal in his chest… he commanded so much power in Life… too like arcane, Fel, fire and now shadow?.. sooo many questions… 
OMG Im so hype I need to FIND OUT what’s happening and help my TRUE “Sire” my Sun King Keal’thas! 
My DH is ready! 
With all that’s happening out side its been torture to wait for this expansion to lunch!
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So even though they’re already coming back in Shadowlands, you think they won’t be trashed in Shadowlands, but definitely WILL be trashed if they come back to life?
Either you’re confident Blizzard would screw them up more if they used them again or you’re not. If you’re worried what they’ll do if they bring them back to life, you should be just as worried what they’ll do with them in Shadowlands.
Yea as a Vampire Elf Leader of the San’layn. Boom we got playable San’layn.
All seriousness I hope Kael returns and becomes a Leader of the San’layn.
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Really don’t think we are bringing anyone back with us.
{Looks at Illidan, Onyxia & Nefarian, Gul’Dan, Cenerius + the Wild Gods, Medivh and also Sylvanas x3}
"Fudgery seems to be in high abundance amongst Azeroth"
In all seriousness, I’m sure it wouldn’t be too hard; especially given ‘The Engine of Death’ is broken, and with enough Anima the boundaries of what’s possible are limitless (Which is partially why to so many people / Covenants desire for it).
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Vampire…King. Vampire king. Vampire blood elf king!!
Then blood elves can actually live up to their names, it’d be great! Forsaken are one thing, sure, but just because something is undead that doesn’t automatically sign them up.
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Perhaps I should have worded that more specifically.
I think they would be trashed further in both. No I think, the majority of Kael’thas fans are headed for a huge disappointment. I think that is a more appropriate way to put it.
Even Illidan and Magni couldn’t return to their people after their bits in Legion.
With Illidan we got a novel that explained that he was always a hero, and that we were deceived about him. Magni got a comic story, if memory serves.
Have we received anything like this for Kael’thas? Something that shows he was still a good guy deep down inside? That his people would actually want him back? Or is this just wishful thinking, and major fanfiction, on his fan’s part?
Again, I think, the majority of Kael’thas fans are headed for a huge disappointment. I think Blizzard has a specific plan for these characters in Shadowlands, and I don’t think it will be a pleasant one for his fans.
Also, I don’t see the logic of bringing them back to life into a world that truly no longer needs them. That really would be a waste. Venthyr Kael’thas? Sure I can see, and get that, if he stays in the Shadowlands. San’layn Kael’thas, or Resurrected Kael’thas having returned to rule over Quel’thalas again? Back in the living world? That makes no sense, that would waste all of the development on Lor’themar, or any of the other significant Blood Elves for that matter. He also serves as an example why the Blood Elves shouldn’t abuse their magic and power.
If anything, the threat of Kael’thas’ possible return should motivate Lor’themar to actually secure his rule over Quel’thalas, and maybe the San’layn to consider reconnecting with their former people.
Development on Lor’themar has always been a waste. People have nevered cared about him as much as they cared about Kael’thas. And all the effort they spent trying to get Lor’themar over instead of fixing Kael’thas has been a waste of everyone’s time.
But now, Vampire Kael’thas gives them the opportunity to do both.
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While I love Kael’thas and hate what they did to him, that would be a definite no on ressurecting him. He should go through redemption, yes, he needs that cocky attitude knocked down a few pegs, but his place is with the Venthyr, not in Quel’thalas.
Lor’themar has grown into his role as leader of the Blood Elves and is highly respected in the Horde now. Not to mention I doubt the general population (not fans opinion) would not be very positive to him coming back and just making himself at home of the throne of Quel’thalas. People will not forget so easily how he tried to sell them to the Legion.
And hello…we have a Grand Magister, his name is Rommath. Nice looking fellow, dark hair, wickedly green eyes, fills out his robes nicely and is a powerful mage in his own right. I think even he would likely protest Kael taking over his position seeing as how he was betrayed by the Prince as well. Besides it would make no sense for the prince of the land to be a mere Grand Magister.
With that said, I would LOVE for Rommath and Kael to reunite in the Shadowlands. I think Rommath would likely have a few choice words for the prince if they meet (and I would pay for him to just rip Kael a new one but at the end they make their peace). Perhaps Lor’themar could meet with him or Anasterian and one of them insist he take up the title of King, but honestly not sure I like that scenario (unless it includes dumping the purple princess and getting a proper wife like Liadrin or another Blood Elf!). Part of what has made Lor’themar a good leader is his refusal to take the throne and his discomfort with being a leader of the country in general. It has kept him humble and a good leader and I think it would destroy his character to be the king.
Just my two coppers on the subject.
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You’re right. Kael SHOULD go to the Alliance to balance it out.
The raid encounter with him in Castle Nathria is apparently called the “Sun King’s Redemption”, so we do redeem him.
Personally I’d love to see him come back to legit life just to see how Lor’themar handles it.
Are they just going to get dumped into the middle of the ocean?
This is speculation but:
- Tyrande’s Night Warrior power is tied to Ardenweald
- The Winter Queen’s existence is tied to Ardenweald via the Heart of the Forest; the weaker it gets, the weaker she gets, and vice versa, and this Heart is tied to the “lock” on the Maw. (Campagin Questline)
- Winter Queen/Ardenweald will be restored by Tyrande letting go of her vengeance and releasing its power to Ardenweald
at the same time
- Excluding Tirna Achiad (Heart of the Forest), there are a total of 9 Tirna Trees (Eas, Glayn, Rowen, Vaal, Scithe, Fenn, Kaithe, Marwol, Noch)
- During questing, we learn Tirna Noch is “long dead” and they never bother to check it out; turns out the Drust have colonized it and restored the Heart of Tirna Noch with anima for their own benefit
- There’s a part of Tirna Marwol that is closed off and looks raid-esque.
- These trees are what allow for reincarnation; they gather anima to feed the Wild Seeds.
And at the same time:
- On Azeroth, World Trees can be bound to World Trees in the Dream
- There are non-World-Trees that have Emerald Dream parallels (e.g. Tal’doren vs Daralnir)
Therefore it stands to reason the Winter Queen and Ardenweald-bound Ysera can give their “blessing” to restore Teldrassil.
Also consider Undercity is currently blighted and we are being given a very Forsaken-Scourge-esque zone with a “House of Plagues”.
I thus speculate, and have been, that the end of Shadowlands will lead to most of BFA being “undone”; Undercity and Teldrassil restored.
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I mean, there’s still and island there with a huge stump on it.
Of course, if they really do come back in the exact spot where they died, they’ll be a mile up in the air and fall back to their deaths!
Well…the ones that can’t turn into birds anyway. And who cares about the ones that can’t? Amirite?
https://www.worldanvil.com/uploads/images/f52e1563009af44c34d1d4ce8e1d925d.jpg
Tree is still there though badly burned with the eastern canopy suspended over a hollow space and liable to fall down if anything heavy is placed there.
Any Night Elves revived at that spot will notice that they are sitting in a charred tree with any digging in the eastern half leading to a big gaping pit. Basically Teldrassil will be as scarred as Tirisfal is if revived.
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Lor’themar is way more interesting than Kael, Kael doesn’t need to come back.
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Must be opposite day.
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I don’t want Kael’thas to come back. But Lor’themar has had basically no presence or character in the story until recently. His most famous (and one of his only) stories was literally a fan story made canon. His only depiction was ‘dislikes this’ and ‘isn’t going to rock the boat at any point’. And like two quests in Mists that were ‘I’m mad about elf killing’.
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I don’t really care what hoops they have to jump through to justify it – I want Kael’thas back. He should’ve been our faction leader, and if the BC writers weren’t so terrible he would’ve been.
So yeah, Kael’thas redemption arc, raise him from the dead, long live the sunstrider dynasty!
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