Calling them “museum” servers even without the community that Classic is known for is a fallacy.
If Classic was a singleplayer game, with all the MMO aspects stripped away, it would be a really bad game. The community is what makes it as great as it is.
TBC servers taking away that community is going to make the point of keeping Classic servers around as museum servers…kind of irrelevant.
LOL that is YOUR opinion not everyone elses. You can’t project your own personal thoughts/feelings onto the entire playerbase so therefore it isn’t a fail argument. Those who don’t want to go to BC/Wrath don’t have to. They can stay on Classic and wpvp all they want without them pesky flyers you are so adamant that shouldn’t exist
yes it is, my personal opinion that most pvpers is hugely agaisnt flying since it ruins wpvp… i suggest you go look at the servers we have and ask yourself how many of the servers is pvp ?
Again you are talking about a PORTION of the playerbase that enjoys wpvp not EVERYONE, therefore your point is moot. As I said…the people who like to wpvp can stay on Classic and let everyone else go where they want. Problem solved
Do you seriously believe people are going to need that long? I’m expecting a “compressed” timeline, shave a month off of Phase 2(3.5 months in Vanilla for NA), shave another one or two off of phase 3(4 months and 1 week in Vanilla). Because seriously, do you really think Blizzard is going to make the Power Gamers wait 7 months to get into BWL? I’d be surprised if it doesn’t open up by sometime in mid-late January. It being open by Christmas wouldn’t be shocking. But in “the Vanilla time line” it would be some time in March.
Phase 4’s content was alternately 2 or 3 months behind BWL, depending on which parts of it we’re discussing. I’d expect the 2 month timeline to be the one they go with. We’re now looking at being “3 months ahead of the Vanilla ‘schedule’” at this point, at a minimum, 6 months ahead of things is entirely possible. (Phase 4 as early as February, or as late as March, but in Vanilla, its equivalent would be May)
These things start to add up. Phase 4, AQ, with it event starting early in January to BWL opening in July. For a Vanilla timeline equivalence, this would AQ40’s opening event starting sometime in October of next year(likely coinciding with Blizzcon), but as they’re running anywhere from 3 to 6 months ahead of Vanilla by the start of Phase 3, it’s far more likely that AQ opening event will start at most 5 months after BWL opened, rather than the nearly 6 months we saw in Vanilla. I could see as early as 4 months.
Remember Blizzard’s devs interviewed commenting that it would be “paced at the rate that players ‘consume’ the content” and while I doubt they’ll be catering to the bleeding edge crowd, even the “average raid comp” is likely to plow through things at a faster clip than what happened in Vanilla. Between better tools, better computers, better internet, and hopefully much more stable servers, it simply won’t take as long.
So with a “window” on BWL ranging from Late December through Early February, AQ 5 months later would be placed in the June to August time frame, rather than October.
Naxx released in June 2006, 5 months and 3 weeks after AQ, no reason to expect it wouldn’t end up “compressed” as well. So that 1 year and 7 months between Vanilla Launching and Naxx releasing(March 2021) instead now becomes 1 year and 3 at the slowest(November 2020), and possibly right around the 1 year point if they really accelerate some parts of it.
Basically, expect people to be stepping into “Classic Naxx” sometime around October of next year, and don’t be shocked if it comes sooner.
Which would happen to match up with an October or November Blizz Con for 2020.
A huge thing with pvp in classic is, the wpvp… i suggest you talk to people that pvp… now im not arguing with you for the sake of arguing… the issue is, if half the player base, or even more then half want something else…
Then question remains why extend classic in a direction that alot of people might not want, we came back to classic for classic, and what cassic is…
Why then go down the same route we all know leads to retail, shouldent we change the course ?.. But eitherway, lets agree to disagree
Yeah keeping all the prior servers intact for each expac unless they start running into low pop problems would be good. Low pop issues can be solved via free transfers to higher pop realms since by then in theory login queues would be a non-issue after enough people migrated to TBC/Wrath when they come out
Hell of a lot of guess work there, but you lead with a mistake. Which is catering to power gamers. Classic isn’t about catering to power gamers.
I wasn’t proposing we force people to move from Classic to TBC at all. Either you misunderstood or are simply choosing to ignore the fact that I mentioned separate servers…it would be OPTIONAL. Lots of people like yourself would never move to TBC/Wrath because they all like to wpvp too, so what are you worried about? If you want to drop the matter that’s fine I will respect that and agree to disagree. But tbh letting only a portion of the playerbase dictate changes or design decisions for the game is really not good for the game overall. Keep the #Nochanges theme going for each expac and keep it all optional and everyone will be happy
The comment about “I don’t care if ten people play” was a response to the question of “if nobody plays classic wow” after they release the project and their continuing support for the Classic servers.
His saying “We will support the Classic servers if there are only 10 people on them” is not to be construed as meaning “We will never pursue further IP development should we find there is a market for it.”
If they think they can make money on it, and they have a dev team interested in doing it. It will happen, unless they decide the product is crap, in which case they’ll kill it. That’s how Blizzard rolls.
yes i know that, and as i said earlier, you want your own BC museum… and thats fine, the problem is, we all wanted classic, and alot of people dont want that path of retail, since each exapansion brings huge steps away from what classic is…
Let me turn the reasoning around, all the people that want pvp, and they are fairly many, what are they getting, they also want new “classic” content ?
The fragmentation issue may be “solve-able” with technology. They’ll need new tech to make it work. If they can do that(and I’m 95% certain they can), then it become a UX(User Experience/Interface) issue that they’ll have to iterate through.
Honestly, I think that’s either a project they have a team working on already, or is next on the list for the Classic Dev team once Classic goes into “maintenance mode.” The UX side is likely to be the most difficult part, IMO. Although the Tech side would be a significant challenge as well.
Yeah I’ve heard all the talk about this theoretical Classic+ stuff and tbh that is a really small niche market. Those that are asking for it are just the people who didn’t want Classic to become a thing in the first place and that is their not so subtle way of trying to sabotage it. See the thing is, although it sounds good on paper, the reality is that it would take too much time/effort/resources to make new content for vanilla, and it would have to be done in the old style to make it authentic, and tbh I can’t see Blizzard pulling that off without screwing something up. All it will do is ruin Classic which is what the people who are asking for Classic+ content’s goal is. In that link I posted earlier about TBC the devs were asked about possible new content and TBC was their answer. It’s much easier and they already have the code and patches ready to fire up
People can play more than one version of the game. Just like how there will certainly be people playing both retail and classic if they release BC and Wrath there will be people who play those in addition to whatever else.
I mean you are speculating pretty hard here. You basically just invented tech that hasn’t been mentioned at all. I mean that is such an outlandish claim to not have any evidence to back it up.
This entire thread is full of tin foil hat crap, people pulling things out of thin air and what almost feels like trolling.
At least the things I have spoke on are based in how the original game was run - you are just making things up.
Of 14 servers, 9 is pvp…
I do not doubt that some people will play both versions. I just don’t believe it will be a lot of people. Very few people play two different MMOs and retail and classic are completely separate.
And? Not sure what that has to do with the post you replied to
If a majority of the servers in classic is pvp, you dont think those want content that apeal to them ?..
And the same can be said for BC and Wrath. The idea is over all to increase the value of the sub. The more options there are the more is to keep people interested because it’s also true that very few people will long term play a static MMO for ever.
With no options when people get bored with classic and retail they quit, with BC and wrath in there as well maybe they go to one of those instead of quitting. And when they get bored with that maybe they come back to something else instead of quitting. And maybe while they’re focused on one they also still pop into another version from time to time for whatever reason.
So what you call divisive of the community actually helps maintain the over all community longer.