I thought there were no AV before the new patch? How would that be possible?
Is this your first AV grind? Are you new here?
I know what you are talking about, these days:
Why are alliance still allowed to make a full premade in AV? - WoW Classic / WoW Classic General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)
Any horde that stuck through those games and made the best of them Iāve got to respect.
0 honor games for the horde and max honor games for the alliance were the goal of the alliance (most of whom werenāt there for the honor, but for revenge as the allies got farmed for a year in that BG) and were common.
As for the āmap imbalanceā there isnāt one. Burning bunkers fully and sending back wing commanders counts for honor. Once a bunker gets taken back by the alliance (which happens almost all the time) thatās another 198 for them. Whereas we put no focus on taking back our towers so we lost 198 each.
One group of 5 taking back the horde towers would give the horde more honor but the current AV people donāt understand this.
Yes there is.
I explained what the horde are doing wrong but all your posts show you to be stubborn. Iām not going to explain further to someone who always thinks they are right and wonāt listen. So sureā¦ keep blaming the map. 
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Yeah but thatās because youāre wrong. The AV map is easier for alliance to both get to our base and take our objectives on top of their move speed with paladins.
No. Iām not wrong. Iāve played that map enough on both sides to know exactly how it goes.
The alliance backcapping bunkers (donāt tell me they donāt do this, itās almost every game) and the horde not doing so is the leading cause of the honor discrepancy in rush games. Which is unrelated to how fast the allies can get to the objectives or Drek.
Blizzard isnāt going to change anything with the map either.
Iām also not sure why you are consistently so rude to people on here. What is the point of being like that?
Yeah Iāve playes thousands upon thousands of avs and youāre wrong but strategy also matters which is why the premades are good.
Whatever you say. If you enjoy missing out on honor and blaming the map thatās fine.
So Iāll ask the other question again, why are you so rude to people on here?
Why am I being rude to you? Well, because your argument distils down to āhorde players are badā and thatās not true. Iāve played both factions. The skill levels are almost identical.
Of all of your posts Iāve read 95% arenāt worded very nicely.
You seem to enjoy being right and not really listening to anything. I was mostly wondering why.
You did suggest something helpful to me though (seeking out that AV horde Discord) so you obviously can be a nice enough person but it doesnāt show very frequently on here.
Like all of those posts in this thread where you just repeated yourself 20 times about the WSG thing. What was the point?
I also wasnāt talking about skill levels. I was saying that the primary reason that the allies get more honor is because they backap the bunkers. This is a really basic thing that you keep saying Iām wrong about for no reason really. Iām not even saying that the horde should backup, but doing so with all 4 adds 792 to their total at the end.
The point was figuring out why the hardcore pvpers who think wsg is better hph and a better pvp experience arenāt queueing wsg right now since theyāre empty and they will have the highest quality queues against each other without having to worry about pugs and pvers leading to lopsided games.
I also wasnāt talking about skill levels. I was saying that the primary reason that the allies get more honor is because they backap the bunkers. This is a really basic thing that you keep saying Iām wrong about for no reason really. Iām not even saying that the horde should backup, but doing so with all 4 adds 792 to their total at the end.
Yes, the hordes inability to fulfil your simple strategy is a skill issue. You think the map is balanced and the horde get less honor/lose more because theyāre ultimately worse players. I donāt think thatās true. We can agree to disagree.
But if you come into the discord screeching about backcapping, you will probably not be received well. Just a friendly warning.
No. I think the horde get less honor because they donāt backcap and the aliies do. Thatās just a math thing.
The allies also wait 12 minutes in AV queues.
My posts didnāt talk about player skill levels but did talk about some people not knowing what gets honor in AV all the time. If the players are happy itās fine but itās odd to talk about map imbalances when the answer is right there imo.
I donāt try to lead when others are. If I agree to go to those games Iāll be a team player and listen because thatās what I do. Thatās part of me naturally not being a rude person or a stubborn know-it-all.
Yeah that would be a skill issue. Iām not going to keep splitting hairs with you. You also contradict yourself by saying players donāt know how honor works on horde. Horde players know how honor work just as well as alliance players. Weāve been playing this game for a long time.
You should check out the discord if youāre grinding AV on horde. It makes the whole process a lot more fun.
Asymmetry doesnāt automatically mean a map is imbalanced. A beam/fulcrum can have asymmetrically-placed weights applied on either side that still perfectly counterbalance each other. The sides simply have asymmetrical strats to adopt. Thatās part of the charm in AV that distinguishes it from AB/WSG.
Itās not Blizzardās fault that nerds who value pixels over all else break this game down to concepts like āmaximum honor per hourā because they think this is srs bsns.
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The issue isnāt even a map imbalance.
Some people really just enjoy ābeing rightā when the actual smart thing to do is to adapt and learn. Yet they just want to think they are intelligent by holding a single opinion and refusing to look outside of that.
On a general thread note:
How have I played on those WSG/AB premades of the past and been part of the āevil mafiaā? By being a team player overall, trying my best, listening to others directions, and being adaptable.
I am interested in seeing this meta shift further. The allies who want to PVP should make sure to triple queue. Horde players who want a change of pace should queue for the others too.
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Itās simple. You play with people - youāre part of an organized criminal group.
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So much angerā¦
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