Solo Players have been disincentivized from playing WSG and AB since AV was released in Classic because of premades.
Its not fun solo queuing for WSG/AB then getting utterly obliterated and GY camped by a premade team, or worse yet in WSG the premade team refusing to cap the 3rd flag to end the BG because they want to GY camp you for honor.
AV will always be the better experience for people solo queueing BG’s which happens to be alot of players.
WSG/AB does beat out AV for honor grinding but thats only if you are in a premade, as it always has.
That cannot be true. The real pvpers on the forums told me very clearly they enjoy playing other premades because the quality of the games are higher and they aren’t just farming honor like the pve noobs. They assured me this is the case. I just can’t figure out why they stopped queueing wsg.
I cannot speak for alliance but the horde premades exist to keep games short and were a direct response to alliance premades. Alliance have longer queues so they prefer longer games that capitalize on all possible honor. The horde prefer to keep the games short because the map isn’t balanced so they already have a disadvantage. That disadvantage is multiplied when they are playing against premades and are not in a premade. On our faction the premades exist to maximize honor for the entire faction. The alliance walk away usually with more honor than us plus it shortens their queues. Everybody wins.
It’s a totally different mentality than wsg premades and this is demonstrated by wsg premades not queueing right now… which nobody can explain still.
The reason is; everyone is getting 500k very easily in AV and they want the welfare grand marshal. Plain and simple. AV is the Fastest route/most optimal/least effort for a solo player. spam AV until you get 500k honor then go do other stuff, like raid or play hardcore etc.
Before the rank system change, the other bgs were healthy. There’s nothing else to it. Period.
Week before changes: 1 AV, 3 WSG, 4-5 ABs.
Week of and after: 0 WSG, 0 AB, 7-10 AVs.
What other evidence do you need? Anyone else saying otherwise is straight up coping. The pvp change was cancer, is cancer, and blizzard is full of incompetent developers that have no clue what talent looks like, they only adopted the brand name. They need to stop touching classic and go work on making their next little dragon flight pet for their shop.
To be fair, you are absolutely correct. I’m slightly bias because I hate AV with every fiber of my being. I did AV during AV weekend. Maybe 2 or 3 then I was good for awhile. I should have said bgs had a healthy state I was okay with lol.
The pendulum has swung the other direction, except this time we’re getting far more noise from people who were smugly silent throughout the preceeding period. That’s my critque of this whole scenario. Being stuck up jerks the entire time things go your way (figuratively) is easy. But now these same pricks come crying for an a balance to be established only after they find themselves treated unfairly.
I’d be lying if I wasn’t in that category lol. I don’t think it’s from malicious intent though. I believe at least, they just didn’t feel wronged when the pendulum was on their side.
I for one don’t expect sympathy from people that love AV, nor do I expect blizzard to change/revert what they’ve done. I will tell you one thing though; my classic experience feels ruined and I’ll unfortunately be playing less. (Not something I wanted to happen, I just don’t enjoy the pvp anymore in this current state)
yall know me…and you know im WSG for life. Its the highest pvp… and its really, if you think about it,… all there is TO do in wow classic that is fun and still a challenge always.
there is no glory/bragging rights to ranking playing AfkV, a PvE bg, and hitting r14 as if it was a hard journey. the grind may have taken some time, sure… but there was NO challenge/skill involved. If u think ur going to make a wsg team and run the brackets, good luck catching a standoff or being schooled by a number of runners who can do circles around you all day if they chose to play. You know who im talking about.
I love and respect ALL the homies horde and alli in this thread and otherwise who are real poggers, advocating for this, and want to play the real BGs. /pepebless
Some people will argue that ppl that play WSG are just pug stompers that don’t know how to PVP. Real PVP is in AV, allegedly (not my words).
The people that enjoy playing BGs other than AV for fun, and that enjoy some kind of semi-competitive gameplay don’t exist, or they only live to pug stomp. That’s why there’s no queue at the moment. No pugs to farm = no WSG gamers!
The Era rankers that survived the mind-numbing AV afk PVE grind and that reach r14 will be found in silithus or on the log-in screen, but won’t step foot in WSG as it is a breeding ground for pug stompers, mafias, and gatekeepers. Also, WSG is plagued by terrain obstacles that require no skill but rather a blessing by the spacebar gods. (I am paraphrasing but I think I catch the essence of it)