you guys have so disincentivized people from queueing the other 2 bgs you might as well just go ahead and take them out of the game!
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correct me if i’m wrong, but it’s supposed to go something like this:
do AV as a solo queuer: decent hph
do WG/AB as a solo queuer and lose a lot: bad hph
do WG/AB as a premade and win a lot from your team’s skills: great hph
if so, this system makes sense to me. if you’re a solo queuer, stick to AV. if you think you have what it takes, form a premade and do WG/AB 
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the other two dont pop because of decisions made by the development team – so they have effectively been removed. AV is fun for some people, but its a weird bg that is kind of screwed up from all the changes made over the last decade.
i dont care about honor per hour, I care about playing warsong and AB, the real bgs that all PVPers have been enjoying for more than a decade
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Just wait till fresh
That’s where all the juice gonna be everyone is waiting for hype wave
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Well if history is anything to go by… AV was popular for “new” players and since ERA is full of effectively new characters, it makes sense that AV is what pops.
Before all the new players got to level cap the only games you got were WSG, occasionally AB when it was AB weekend… AV was like AB in that way.
Eventually the meta then should shift back as the player base (overall) matures.
Fresh or maybe things will change up in about 6 weeks after the current rankers are done.
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No, players made the decision to solo queue for AV.
Premaders spent 4 years disincentivizing running AB/WSG. Blizzard didnt do a thing. You people did that. And you laughed and gloated and taunted and mocked anyone who said anything about it. You loved every second of it.
They just made it so nobody was FORCED to run AB/WSG for meaningful PvP progression anymore. And now that nobody HAS to feed themselves into your meatgrinder anymore… theyre choosing not to.
Thats what infuriates you. The entire playerbase that isnt you has eagerly and happily walked away from you and left you in the wasteland you created. And that enrages you people so much that you openly circumvent the AV queue mechanics to try and premade AV so you can grief and game ruin and you try to gloat about that too. the epitome of fatherless narcissistic behavior. You do it openly to try and spite people who want nothing more to do with you. Just like i predicted you would the day the changes were announced.
This is Premaders reaping what they spent 4 years sowing. You want AB/WSGs to pop again? Theres ONE way that happens. Premades are forced to fight other premades. Permanently. Attempts at circumvention receive suspensions. Enough of them earn permabans.
If just being able to play AB/WSG was all you ever wanted, youd agree to that deal without hesitation.
But none of you ever would do so and actually mean it. Itd be lipservice looking to get what you wanted, an agreement abandoned at the first opportunity.
And so here we stay.
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Nobody asked and nobody cares about your opinion
Oh wait he blocked me. Figures
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Yes, yes. We all know you think players in premades are pure evil. You don’t even want to group up with those who you find to be fun PVPers, because grouping with like-minded people in an MMO is blasphemy, and anyone even suggesting grouping with others (in a kindly worded way) is part of the evil premade clique!
The OP didn’t ask that though. They just want to have fun in WSG and AB. Some of us suggested the reality to him, it’s better to wait.
I’m sure you’re fine with the current horde AV premades that just rush the end Vann though. That gets you something on your amazing ret pally while you focus on DPSing the enemy over all else, so that’s all good!
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Glad we agree.
I literally didnt read the rest. This was all that mattered. Im sure the rest was some fantastic sprawling explanation about how you arent really such bad guys, as if you didnt just spend 4 years openly destroying the enjoyment of tens of thousands - or more - players who just wanted to solo queue for CTF/Domination gameplay. As if you didnt gloat and brag and laugh about it in the faces of everyone who called you on what you were doing, daring them to do something about it.
They did. And now like petulant children, you insist on going out of your way to wreck what others have to spite them for not wanting to play with you anymore. Thats the entire reason youre trying to premade AV. Spite. You want to punish people for abandoning you after you abused and taunted and tortured them for 4 years.
Solo queuers would love to be able to play AB/WSG alongside AV. But they never want to see another premade again. If the price for never seeing a premade again is never queueing AB/WSG again… so be it.
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Nice.
Well anyway, you repeating yourself on your conspiracy stance still doesn’t mean that your posts on this thread are relevant to the OPs question.
People just want WSG/AB to pop clown
seek mental help asap yikes
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cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrIeS
God i wish there was a stupid spongebob Dracthyr emoji. Itd see so much damn use. 
Btw, its 2023. Nobody falls for gaslighting anymore. It just makes you look worse.
Not sure why it’s so complicated for people to understand.
It’s not a pre-made thing, it’s an honor thing. The only reason why AV is a thing is because it’s easy afk honor. This system is catered to the players that want to afk, it’s low enough that you’re not seeking high HPH that requires you to group up. This little 500k cap can be achieved half afk in AV, literally all you have to do is press W.
Warsong pops occasionally with some gamers on both sides, but it’s also a snowball effect that people don’t queue if there’s one game. If wsg was so bad, why was it that right before the pvp ranking change, there were like 8+ games?
There’s premades in AV right now, especially Alphie pre-made which on a non weekend you’re lucky to get 1000 honor a game, are people gonna stop queuing AV ? Non. Personally I wish Alphie could duplicate himself tri-fold.
I can literally bet my first child that if blizzard would set separate queues for premades and solo queue, 100% of the people crying about evil pre-made gate keeper bull whatever would still be in AV or farming some twilight text or some other ridiculous stuff.
This ranking system and this classic era player base is just really really well suited for all the players that want to do absolutely nothing to get what they want out of the game.
My solution - nerf av honor, make 7 copies of alphie premades, buff other BGs, raise caps, or separate queues
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By all things holy, this human male ret paladin sounds like the most black pilled, scorned and hurt player in all of Warcraft history
Who did this to him, can you imagine talking to bro irl?
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Yeah, I like those ones and the strat they use.
Question - How long is the ally AV queues typically these days? On regular pug games the alliance tend to try way harder than the horde, from my perspective, and that’s usually a queue thing. So I was just wondering. Horde is instant to 2 mins.
Making a premade and caving the other faction for 12 hours to break their premade q and deserter debuff half the faction was them days. The glory days
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I actually really respect Alphie premades since everytime I faced them, they played the game. They clashed, they defend. All in all, they own.
Ally queues are like 8-12 min ish? I think it depends on the time, i haven’t played much this weekend or recently. I will say that there’s a couple alliance gamers sometimes but generally they just one button Andy “W”
play wsg as a premade and stomp fresh 60’s and bots*
Nothing is stopping the WSG premades from queueing right now except for the fact they would have to play each other.
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