Just Let Everyone Get The Mage Tower Appearances

[Boostins-lightbringer]

Imagine this much cope to defend store items.

[Feldophile-illidan]

Nope. Too bad. Unobtainable timed items are the rewards of loyal players who were there for it and supported blizzard. Its not their fault newer players only tried playing WoW recently so why should their glory be rendered insignificant by the whining of newer players?

Same goes for every old content that is basically unobtainable now. Every mmo has this. Its a reward for the veterans who played the game back then.

Shadowlands should have a different item similar to this but they shouldnt bring it back. Its a dumb decision to bring it back as it would anger majority of the playerbase just to appease the self entitled minority

[Voodoofu-shandris (Voodoofu)]

The only reason people are so mesmerized by the mage tower appearances is because blizzard have not produced any decent looking armor or weapons in 2 expansions.

[Dragaan-windseeker]

forum post.

[Seruna-hellscream]

@Chentao-wyrmrest-accord

But it’s from the challenge that the prestige stems from, not when it’s done

Um wow. We’ll try this once more. It has nothing to do with time or difficulty, simply the fact that other people don’t have it. See there are 3 things there, time, difficulty, and exclusivity. You have addressed time and difficulty. It’s the other one.

If I have a Babe Ruth rookie card, it’s worth a lot of money. It’s not worth money because of when I got it or how difficult it was to obtain. It’s worth money because so few are circulating. If everyone had one, regardless of all other factors, it would be worth nothing.

[Deos-thrall]

@Seruna-hellscream

It has nothing to do with time or difficulty, simply the fact that other people don’t have it

Which with thousands of appearances in game, most players are still limited to one single weapon appearance.

By making a Timewalking Mage Tower (that limits your ilvl to 7.2 standards), it will still be plenty of exclusive because of the difficulty and time requirements of farming Nethershards and failing the challenge.

This doesn’t bother me one way or the other because I have them, but it would bother a new player. A game should provide hope–a reason to climb, not push, for rewards. Once an artificial end time is created, all hope is lost and it’s equivalent to being a dead game.

[Enst-sargeras (Enst)]

imo players shouldnt be allowed to collect mythic tmogs from previous expansions

[Dæraj-dalaran]

@Bigspanky-area-52-1447558

You are telling me that you honestly feel, that people doing the mage tower, sacrificed doing other things in the game, just to get it?

Yes, because I know many that did. We could have raided, done M+, but what did we do, geared up and made attempt after attempt on the MT to beat it. I for one farmed 24/36 appearances because they said they were going away.

@Bigspanky-area-52-1447558

You cannot say people who did the mage tower then, would be cheated out of time invested 3 years ago, by people getting it now.

Yes, I can. I would be saying the same thing if we gave everyone the elite glad pvp mounts, or all the other things removed. Exclusivity is an important intangible thing.

@Bigspanky-area-52-1447558

Also claiming people would distrust Blizzard for going back on it? You really thing this will be their hill to die on? How many times have they gone back on their statements to correct or change something?

Where have they given things that were advertised to be a exclusive, limited time thing? MoP Challenge armors are gone, the WoD weapons can’t be obtained, the moose, birb, and dragon are gone, so blizz has a history of keeping their word here, and we expect it. They give people like you that cry because they didn’t do the challenges when they were there, they would be taking something away from those that did actually believe them.

[Stoutts-garrosh]

Ok then, no more calling them selfish. We can just call as they are acting, “entitled “ that better?

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Deos-thrall

A game should provide hope–a reason to climb, not push, for rewards. Once an artificial end time is created, all hope is lost and it’s equivalent to being a dead game.

you say that as if every single item in the game is a limited time item. that’s not remotely the case.

[Dæraj-dalaran]

@Stoutts-garrosh

We can just call as they are acting, “entitled “ that better?

I have called them entitled a few times here already lol.

@Deos-thrall

This doesn’t bother me one way or the other because I have them, but it would bother a new player. A game should provide hope–a reason to climb, not push, for rewards. Once an artificial end time is created, all hope is lost and it’s equivalent to being a dead game.

A new player isn’t going to quit because a certain weapon skin is no longer obtainable because it was a limited time thing. If they did, they wouldn’t hang around anyways since there are always limited time things every expansion…and season. Can’t get KHM mount from season 1 anymore. Always have glad mounts removed every expansion/season. Elite PVP armor tints too. That list goes on and on.
It sucks for them for not being able to get it, but everyone here that hasn’t played since vanilla has stuff we cannot obtain anymore. Most of us are just not entitled children that think blizz should take something from others (the effort they put instead of doing something else they could have done at that time) because those people listened to blizz when they said they were going way.

[Mercelída-proudmoore (Mercelída)]

I demand blizzard gives me Scarab Lord title cuz why not

[Seruna-hellscream]

@Deos-thrall

it will still be plenty of exclusive because of the difficulty and time requirements of farming Nethershards and failing the challenge

Not saying literally everyone will get it, but let’s not pretend like most ppl wont.

@Deos-thrall

but it would bother a new player

Unlike you, I won’t speak for other people but personally I didn’t play until BFA and have zero appearances on any class and it doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

@Deos-thrall

Once an artificial end time is created, all hope is lost and it’s equivalent to being a dead game

Give me a break! Dramatic much? Sorry but your whole “exclusive content will kill the game” mentality is completely unfounded. Of all the things that can/will kill this game someday, that won’t be it. As you rightly said…

@Deos-thrall

with thousands of appearances in game,

The fact that a handful are exclusive is a non issue.

[Annastasi-proudmoore]

@Stoutts-garrosh

We can just call as they are acting, “entitled “ that better?

I certainly agree that it is awfully entitled of people to throw a temper tantrum over items that are no longer available because they were exclusive to a period of time.

in all seriousness - I would love a new “mage tower” like feature, with new mogs and appearances to get.

[Bloodseer-moon-guard]

Alright. But those that earned mage tower apperances gets an exclusive appearance in return to show they actually did the work rather than whine and complain on the forums until they got their way.

[Deos-thrall]

@Pyri-shadowsong

you say that as if every single item in the game is a limited time item. that’s not remotely the case.

If other items were subjectively comparable, you’d be right.

Continue with the assumption that other items are freely interchangeable and desirable, it would be easy to see why unlocking it wouldn’t be a big deal as long as challenge level is appropriately set (and not a “come back and breeze through it” as most people complaining against the unlock did in 7.3.5 anyways).

But there’s pretty solid evidence that other items are not comparable. So what I wrote still carries sufficient weight.

Also, there’s a lot of truth behind the collector mentality (desire for completion) being faced with the hard reality of a permanent inability to complete. Mounts, transmogs, and to a lesser extent, titles, will eventually be met with a “why am I even going for these new ones if I can’t finish the collection anyways?”

I don’t think a hard “give” or “block” answer is right, but I think (1) seasonality of Legion Timewalking and (2) difficulty of scaled down item level and a necessary blocking of borrowed powers, possibly inclusive of trinkets and set bonuses creates strong enough boundaries that this would still be worth doing for both the players in general and the business.

Alternatively, the ultimate move of spite, they add a recolor drop in Korthia. They didn’t “add it back” then after all? It’s almost like what they did with creepy Sarge (those eyes…) and the much more visually pleasing Squeakers.

And I bet that’s what they do. A cosmetic drop like the MT weapon, just a little goofier, for completing the Timewalking version of the tower.

[Phoenickz-sargeras]

@Xandracon-proudmoore

I’m sure your fine with cool mythic tier sets/armor being farmed while semi afk watching Netflix an expansion or two later though right? As long as pve transmog is earnable after being current, so to should pvp transmog.

PvP and PvE are 2 entirely different beasts. Again, though, if you want them then just go get them during current season you want them.

@Xandracon-proudmoore

Why pvp players get special treatment in this regard both confuses and annoys me.

Because PvP and PvE are entirely different.

@Xandracon-proudmoore

Its just always funny to me seeing the pvp players being fine with pvp rewards remaining exclusive while the vast majority of pve gear does not

Because, again, they’re different. You can buy the highest mythic raiding achievement, you cannot buy the highest pvp achievement. You can buy the 2nd highest, though, which most people that do are normally fine with that. You cannot get into the top 1% or whatever it takes to get the gladiator thing, though, as it is an entirely skill dependent and gear dependent beast.

Mythic raiding does require skill, but every single tier especially towards the end of it there’s quite a few guilds advertising selling CE. They only take 1 person at a time and it costs a ton, but they can 19 man a 20 man mythic raid towards the end of the season/tier. This is why they’re different and why PvP is special, it’s more difficult.

@Xandracon-proudmoore

’m saying its not fair to everyone.

PvP does not care about your feelings. If you have an enemy in front of you, you’re not going to care what their reasoning is, you just kill them regardless. Everyone has a sob story, most people don’t care to hear it nor should they, even.

It’s fair for everyone to try and get as far as they can. Whether or not you make it is entirely in your control.

@Xandracon-proudmoore

Exclusivity also died in this game a long time ago.

It did not. If you believe so, cool, but no it didn’t.

@Xandracon-proudmoore

At the very latest it died in WoD with the WoW token.

Again, no it did not. People use the WoW token as a crutch, but it did not ruin WoW nor did it ruin exclusivity or anything else of that matter.

@Xandracon-proudmoore

As someone who earned over half the mage tower appearances I couldn’t care less if some noob could go get them now with no effort. Thats how 99% of the other earnable stuff in game works, so why should I care?

Cool, but the other stuff was not said to be time limited and gone after the expansion. The literal entire premise for MT was that it was going away after the expansion. Those who missed out missed out. I don’t care if that hurts their feelings, no, it’s not coming back.

People that keep trying to get it back are stupid. They should be trying to ask for something similar to it for this expansion, not the same exact thing giving the same exact skins.

@Voodoofu-shandris

The only reason people are so mesmerized by the mage tower appearances is because blizzard have not produced any decent looking armor or weapons in 2 expansions.

Prob, and Bear and Kitty Druids haven’t really received new skins or anything since Legion. Weapon mogs don’t matter or any of that for those. I wish I could transmog the Necrolord wings onto my bear’s back.

@Deos-thrall

By making a Timewalking Mage Tower (that limits your ilvl to 7.2 standards), it will still be plenty of exclusive because of the difficulty and time requirements of farming Nethershards and failing the challenge.

It won’t. It would also go against their word, which we really don’t need nor want them breaking especially at this point in time.

@Deos-thrall

This doesn’t bother me one way or the other because I have them, but it would bother a new player.

Who cares besides the new player. Don’t like that you don’t have it? Should have played when Legion was around. They didn’t, so they missed out. If they did and just did not care, like myself, then even bigger reasoning for it not coming back.

@Deos-thrall

A game should provide hope–a reason to climb, not push, for rewards. Once an artificial end time is created, all hope is lost and it’s equivalent to being a dead game.

No, it’s not.

@Enst-sargeras

imo players shouldnt be allowed to collect mythic tmogs from previous expansions

Mage Tower isn’t a mythic tmog, it’s a limited tmog.

@Seruna-hellscream

Give me a break! Dramatic much? Sorry but your whole “exclusive content will kill the game” mentality is completely unfounded. Of all the things that can/will kill this game someday, that won’t be it.

Yep, people just get quite entitled.

@Annastasi-proudmoore

in all seriousness - I would love a new “mage tower” like feature, with new mogs and appearances to get.

Agreed! That’s exactly what people should be asking for, not the same one with the same appearances but a new one with better appearances would be better.

@Deos-thrall

Continue with the assumption that other items are freely interchangeable and desirable, it would be easy to see why unlocking it wouldn’t be a big deal as long as challenge level is appropriately set (and not a “come back and breeze through it” as most people complaining against the unlock did in 7.3.5 anyways).

It is a big deal because, again, it was said to be going away at the end of the expansion. If you missed out then oh well, sorry charlie but you missed out.

@Deos-thrall

But there’s pretty solid evidence that other items are not comparable. So what I wrote still carries sufficient weight.

No, it doesn’t hold sufficient weight.

@Deos-thrall

Also, there’s a lot of truth behind the collector mentality (desire for completion) being faced with the hard reality of a permanent inability to complete.

Yes, and that’s why it should not be coming back. Again, if you were not here that is too bad. Not our problem, that’s that person’s.

@Deos-thrall

Mounts, transmogs, and to a lesser extent, titles, will eventually be met with a “why am I even going for these new ones if I can’t finish the collection anyways?”

Again, who cares. No, it won’t come back.

@Deos-thrall

I don’t think a hard “give” or “block” answer is right, but I think (1) seasonality of Legion Timewalking and (2) difficulty of scaled down item level and a necessary blocking of borrowed powers, possibly inclusive of trinkets and set bonuses creates strong enough boundaries that this would still be worth doing for both the players in general and the business.

No because you, then, unlock the “but I want it to be easier” bull that comes along with challenges because everyone and their mother thinks they should all be achievable by the lesser skilled player. This should not be the case in the slightest, nor budged. It is a hard “no.”

@Deos-thrall

Alternatively, the ultimate move of spite, they add a recolor drop in Korthia.

I’m fine with recolors and all of that, because it’s not the exact one. I don’t care if you get something similar, I care if you get the same exact thing, appearance and all. That’s the part that irks me, not recolors or a different variation.

Again, though, people should not be asking for them to bring things back, but rather them to create a new Shadowlands only one so they can have that exclusivity themselves when the next expansion and every other one after comes around.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Deos-thrall

there’s a lot of truth behind the collector mentality (desire for completion) being faced with the hard reality of a permanent inability to complete. Mounts, transmogs, and to a lesser extent, titles, will eventually be met with a “why am I even going for these new ones if I can’t finish the collection anyways?”

which explains why nobody collects baseball cards. after all, you can’t have them all, so why bother?

most of us realized when we were children that we wouldn’t get everything we want. i’m not sure why so many gamers seem to have missed that life lesson.

[Phoenickz-sargeras]

@Pyri-shadowsong

most of us realized when we were children that we wouldn’t get everything we want. i’m not sure why so many gamers seem to have missed that life lesson.

I don’t know why either. It’s such an entitled mentality, then worse you have the “the customer is always right” or the “we are paying customers” nonsense.

I just counter both of those with “I am a customer as well, and my right is just the same as yours in weight and I side with ‘no’ on this matter.”

[Anubara-thrall]

@Kaemane-area-52

Exclusive content is objectively good for the game. What would be bad is telling someone something is exclusive and then walking it back out after they’d committed to earn it.

Disagree on the first point, but agree with the rest.