Games evolve. Genres evolve.
If it were 2004 and vanilla just dropped I would be inclined to agree with you.
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This isn’t even a true statement though. People don’t continually push for no reward, the primary reason people did M+ was for a 475 piece at the end of the week. Your arguments don’t make any sense here
Not sure if I’m being trolled or not yet so I’ll respond genuinely
The 475 reward only required a +15. When I say push I’m talking about the community that continually pushed into the 20s and some even 30s without any incentive to go past 15
Sigh, ok guess we’re going down this route.
So you’re talking about a section of the wow playerbase that does M+, then you’re talking about an even smaller section that pushes in to the 30+ bracket? And you’re talking about incentives and how they should tap in to that? It’s the opposite of what they should tap in to.
The draw for doing M+ for 95% of participants is not to to do a 30. It’s to get a free mount and mythic equiv gear for doing a 15. It is the easiest form of content that yields the best reward (usually) for minimal difficulty
There’s nothing untapped there, and people casual players hate raider.io, enforcing it further would cause further headache rather resolving anything.
In essence, your thought is stupid and you should feel stupid.
lul
You are misunderstanding me over and over.
All I am saying is that there was nothing that differentiated PVP gear from PVE gear. No PVP stat, no ilvl boost in PVP.
I agree the rewards were absolutely in favour of PVE, but that is not what “gear is gear” means. It means if I have a piece of gear, regardless of where it came from, it operates exactly the same way in PVE and PVP.
Actually watch the video, troll.
Or hire a very competitive StarCraft player, one of the top random players in the world.
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Providing feedback isn’t inherently ungrateful. In fact their original implementation was so bad it took a spreadsheet showing how almost no BIS pieces were going to be included in those vendors for them to rework the choices to always include Vers.
There’s a point where it’s whining, sure. But any company needs feedback on new systems / ideas / etc before they work out the kinks.
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I am not including people that have given legitimate feedback, but you can’t say there isn’t whining going on.
However, I am more complaining about the ones that regurgitate feelings and opinions as fact.
I think it’s this very thread that someone was arguing about things they clearly didn’t bother actually reading into.
I sat on Ion’s quote from an interview on early oct about pve trinkets [still plans for tuning them in pvp] to see if anyone even bothered to research before keep going on about them, and no one did from what I can tell.
Oh no it was utter crap, and the people that gave cold reasoning instead of ‘me no like me want this’, then I am not talking about them.
I still believe all the vendors shown were place holders and that set bonus trinket was already being worked on just wasn’t ready to be revealed while they probably fixed the programing.
Because WoD did the same thing with it’s gear on development, they just didn’t wait until the end to show the entire system.
It’s possible it was already being worked on, but I remain very skeptical given their track record the last 2 expansions.
I still maintain they are being very stubborn trying to keep PvE and PvP gear from being separate gear sets entirely. Any PvE player who’s seriously wanting to enjoy PvP can farm a 2nd set, in most cases it’s less time investment then a min/maxed PvE set.
They make it seem like so many casual players still exist, but I think anyone still playing the game at this point is more then casual. The classic players really proved the point that good content = more time they are willing to invest.
Blizzard could do what every modern gaming company does and offer dev notes and acknowledge the kind of feedback they want and there wouldn’t be mass hysteria from their players.
Apex Legends, Smite, League, for honor etc devs are pretty vocal when they make changes where as this expac has been pushed back and there has been silence on the beta lines since
I mean a lil transparency is the industry norm right now while even since ghostcrawler’s time they’ve clung on to this mute persona
In his own words they “didnt know what to do with him”
Like GC or not his watercooler blogs and interaction with thr community at least gave you a sense of orientation.
Instead blizzard will do something like gut lava surge 3 weeks before release and that’s it. A core mechanic just c4’d
Shouldn’t have to see random interviews from streamers, wowhead or whatever when Blizzard has their own platforms and avenues for communication
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Oh great injecting more Diablo into WoW. Just perfect.
all i want is a old honor system for gear that you can get the okay gear in bgs remotely fast then use that to get into arenas and start getting the good pvp gear but seems like thats way too much to ask so ill not be playing shadowlands cool.
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I am ok with it though, I am someone who likes
I recall in wrath raiding every week on my ret paladin and never getting lucky to get a raid weapon, always using my pvp one, until icc.
I cleared every raid during current and didn’t see a weapon in my bags until icc.
There is a difference between a casual gamer and a casual mmo gamer.
You play more than 20+ hours yeah you aren’t casually consuming anything.
I mean they are supporting the community they built by doing it that way, yes they should have it more available on the site.
But interviews are a good way to formulate and organize your mind to focus on a specific question or questions, usually asked by someone who researches the most talked about issues.
who cares about what the devs say when its so obvious their goals completely contradict what we want
I mean thats a pretty loaded statement, because we aren’t the majority of the playerbase here, hell we aren’t even the majority of the pvpers.
And then even then you have people that stay fairly quiet and stay neutral, you have some go for, some against, some just trolling, and others just trying to read something more than just a echo chamber.
That’s what I implied by random. I don’t see any of that stuff announced or forecasted anywhere.
All of that, just like these systems they add every expac, should be supplemented with a good baseline; communication and the game’s classes.
Covenants are so widely hated among a vast majority of the entire playerbase, not just pvpers
for sure they need to obviously have all these links on their website, but they can’t.
Because then the rating of the website would go up and then exposure is lower.
Now we getting into internet politics and business practices