why does the state of pvp continually get worse and worse?
it’s not even like it’s just a little unfair, a little tilted in the favor of pve. it’s essentially a slap in the face. “we’re going to give you what you asked for, but make it so terrible that you’re going to still have to grind pve to pvp”
spread the word. blizzard, start paying attention. hire stoopz as a consultant before you keep making terrible decisions regarding pvp.
What do you not like about PVP in Slands? Blizzard has delivered on most of the community’s feedback.
having to work twice/thrice as hard for inferior gear. lack of a pvp stat. honor/conquest gearing being completely irrelevant.
basically, all the same problems pvp had all of BFA.
Well, Random BGs have deterministic rewards, plus you get consolation prizes for losing. So it makes sense that it takes a bit longer.
No PVP stat makes sense to me, PVP stats and PVE stats just drive a wedge between the community. I think play between both game modes should be encouraged, one way to do that is lower the barriers of play. PVP stats raise the barriers.
How is it irrelevant?
Lol.
No PVP stat makes gearing through PVP irrelevant because you can get better gear in less time through PVE. You know this, I know this. You’re trolling, but I actually want devs to read this. Try getting into a 15+ with honor gear, I dare ya.
Simple. It isn’t worth the effort. You can get better gear more easily and less time-consuming through PVE. Why grind 90 hours of BG for gear that’s the equivalent of a mythic 6 when you can get fully geared in mythic 15 in 40 hours? It’s not complicated.
I don’t normally feed the trolls, but this isn’t about you, Bloomy.
Shut up, Lily.
Just dont answer back to blooms he’s just trolling you. I agree with what you said. I think it’s dumb your pvp rewards are still locked behind pve content.
How so? PVP gear offers determisitic gearing vs. the RNG that PVE offers. That’s the tradeoff. I mentioned this already, I think you missed it.
This is a false equivalency. Honor gear is comparable to +3 gear, not +15
We’ve seen on Classic that people are willing to put in the effort for honor gear.
Everyone remember to flag Bloomsday’s posts for trolling.
is it even trolling? it’s not funny and nobody’s mad
at this point it just seems like a personality disorder
flag for help
nah I rather people who can be more unbiased than a player and most of the wow streamers I’ve seen ain’t that.
Honor can be argued, but it’s non rated content and even honor from WoD first season sucked, it was 600 ilvl that bumped to 630, base conquest was 660 with 690 bump.
It wasn’t until s2 when honor gear became the s1 conquest gear did it end up staying competitive with conquest.
But conquest isn’t irrelevant, get duelist and grats you have equal to mythic
PvP STAT NOW BLIZZ
This is the problem. I don’t want to get mythic raid gear, I want PVP gear.
PVP giving ‘welfare epics’ that are directly usable in PVE as is, is the core of this PVP gearing fiasco.
PVP stats and/or ilvl boost. Separate the gear. Then the PVP gear can be good for PVP and not effect PVE gearing.
Stoopzz is way off on his average honor gain per BG. I know this from practical experience of doing some BGs on beta (you can almost get as much honor for losing than winning (not first daily) depending on the map and how your team does). It’s still a hell of a grind though.
I’ve posted this question in several places and I’ll do it here too.
If honor is used to upgrade both honor gear and conquest gear (that is what is in the beta right now) and you can get 197 gear from doing your covenant story campaign (something you will do to progress your soulbinds/conduit tree) why would you spend any honor on purchasing or upgrading honor gear?
Or anybody else and fire the trolls they have now.
unpopular opinion here but gear progression is an outdated concept that if removed could probably improve the game
it made sense a decade ago but games have evolved to the point there are better ways to keep players engaged
We already know were gonna have to do m+ spam and raid for da good pew pew trinkets.
Just accept it and put on ur pve dragonslayer cap and get to work.
Ion laughin himself all the way to the bank to cash in our QQ
Yea like AP grinds?
considering AP is just a form of gear progression, no
I mean things like m+ or rated pvp where the content is always scaling and is only capped by performance. you don’t have to add a carrot to those activities because the reward is in progressing the content