Do you have a hard time accepting reality and only complain when things don’t go your way?
I thought we were both making suggestions about how the game could be better.
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No no no, let me explain.
Imagine I ask you to go the grocery store for a loaf of bread, and if they have eggs, to get a dozen. You come back with a dozen loaves of bread…because they had eggs.
You technically did exactly what I asked you to do, except you very obviously did not accomplish what I wanted to happen.
That’s what has happened so far re: PvP community requests.
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Not really? It was gear earned by doing PvP content that acted differently than pve gear did in PvP… It was not “gear is gear” crap that we’ve had for the past two expansions and now one ahead.
I mean I agree with absolutely everything stoopz has said in all of his videos. He even admits the honor gear max is decent if it didn’t take 7 upgrades and renown go get to. Pve trinkets are an issue. Like I actually would take stoopz in a heart beat over anyone working on pvp at blizzard at the moment.
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Man the majority of videos are comstructive and tons of posts are too. Blizzard even has direct lines to people that will be truly constructive. Don’t try and just spin this idea that if it’s negative it isn’t constructive. Plenty of people have avoided insults and things of that nature.
Some have sure, but acting like everyones feedback is unconstructive just because you want to play devil’s advocate seems pointless. I don’t even care enough to really keep posting that much in these types of threads because I expect very little to change, but I at least will go out and spend the 2 seconds it takes to look at frustration and decipher it because quite frankly I don’t think that’s difficult.
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Personally, I would remove Legion from that list because templates (liking or not) removed a ton of issues caused by gear imbalance in instantiated pvp. So, because of templates, the gear itself (primary/secondary stats, procs, effects, on-use, etc) was completely irrelevant. Only ilvl mattered.
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Gear should matter in an mmorpg. Progression of that gear should matter.
how did it take you like 5 posts to understand that you get 1 piece in the new system
i maintain that gcd-based combat is attractive to people who want to play competitive esports of a certain variety like pvp or dungeon crawling at a more relaxed pace and there is no reason on earth that a new company staffed by people that aren’t j allen brackites couldn’t take the gcd 3rd person idea and divorce it from an mmo to make an array of esports endgames we’d all love
They aren’t going to scrap current plan, not being flexible with them is not making suggestions, it’s being obstinate.
Our voices cried out and united only under 1 thing, we want a vendor.
They gave us one, the forums thanked them by demanding more, seems a bit ungrateful.
You aren’t having to convince me of anything.
Imo, the smartest business decision for them would be to just had reintroduce wod gear, but I dont think anything like ashran should exist at the speed of acquisition it was, that only encourages botting.
That and instant gratification isn’t long lasting.
PvP gear had obscene stamina/armor and PvE gear had very bad stamina, normal armor, and high DPS until Naxx, actually.
PvP gear was BiS in PvP for some classes, but not all. I’m not sure if that’s really “Gear is gear” tbh. It was a LOT better than what we had in BFA, though.
Here is a terrible example because I can’t think of anything else with how fried my brain is right now:
Think of it like proto man, they were hominids, but not human.
Idk I got click bait vibes from the little I saw, and I don’t actually really follow streams/guides/etc outside of the ones yall link.
However with that said it was only covering honor and aint nobody is going to be gearing high gear fast except those that at least raid, and even then no bonus rolls is going to hurt that a lot more than people think.
But see those are constructive because it’s working with blizzard to make what they want better.
They aren’t asking us what we want they are going to give it to use how they want to,
I just rather guide it and make it easier and more acceptable instead of it be rammed down my throat.
However ultimately if I don’t like it I will do the best thing a consumer can do, not buy the game if I don’t like how it looks.
There was no difference between PVP and PVE gear. That is what I mean by “gear is gear”. Your PVE gear was just as effective in PVP and vice versa in Legion.
Stoopzz is ridiculously handsome
Actually your PvP gear still sucked in PvE in legion since you might not have the proper set bonuses or trinkets
PvP gear is pmuch always awful in PvE with like maybe one or two exceptions and that was mostly a BfA thing, for only a few specs unless it was like one BiS azerite
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and for every post that has constructive feedback you end up with people that misquote and then the misquote is repeated or misquoted again, turning into a vicious cycle.
Never said that or even implied.
However blizzard is obstinate and are very hard to get them to change their course without a massive outcry of joined voices, for example multi xpac expanding thread about vendors yes that’s something to pay attention to.
Recall the forums is not even close to a majority or even fully reflective of the population, we exist on other sites of internet discussion as well and even then a a ton of them just end up being old players just seeing whats up.
I said posts not posters, meaning for people that aren’t that doing that then all good. But literally someone just called me something that if they dont edit quick the profanity bot will catch it.
Notice Nawat, perfect example of constructive
I don’t completely agree with his view point on this situation, but we started off on saying a lot of the same things all of bfa.
We aren’t agreeing with each other, but we also are being civil if not friendly.
Part of being civil is actually reading someone’s post (and sometimes in my haste I don’t and that’s on me) and replying to it with cold reasoning.
Like I said I mostly play devil’s advocate, not actually giving my opinion.
Like I said earlier my opinion is WoD gear should return.
Here is the problem; with the “ripcord” not being pulled even though it was asked for by both sides pve and pvp, it’s clear blizzard isn’t going to budge off the territory of the system they have chosen.
So instead of squabbling over pvp stats or wod scaling, we could just make this wod 2.0 by lifting the rating requirements on conquest and just have the increased cap be enough to cover the speed of acquisition.
This way everyone will be on an even playing field.
Hell could even put buffs on the gear (MoP gloves) that is only active with the presence of the trinket bonus and only where pvp combat is allowed.
There are tons of different things we can do to better this system.
Like they took a chance when they were first introducing WoD gear and people were up in arms exactly like this about how pvp power cant go away it’s the perfect system, then we got wod.
You know what WoD geared help? Pvpers not needing to have to re-farm if they wanted to dip their toes in at least heroic raiding.
And finally world pvpers didn’t have to worry about mythic raiders, except outliers, but nothing is perfect.
Cause yall are kind of forgetting one thing WPVP does exist and there are those of us who like to spend their times in the game world, not game lobbys.
The best gear set you could farm before stepping into HFC raiding was the ilvl 700 honor gear, as normal was 690-700, heroic was 710-715.
You could skip normal right into heroic with that, set bonuses didn’t work but you didn’t need to be breaking records to down those bosses just needed to do the mechanics for the most part.
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Eh the title is click baity for sure (still not xaryu levels 
) but the content is decent. He pretty clearly describes the issues and is clearly looking at it from a PvP perspective.
Like I’m okay with the current max ilvl for honor gear. I’m less okay with the level of grinding needed for that max ilvl. I’m less okay with it being renowned gated. He doesn’t talk about conquest gear because there will be less issue there outside of pve trinket. I also hate rating gating but that’s clearly not going anywhere.
Yeah it’s kinda annoying… I wish they had a stronger PvP presence in their dev team.
Yeah people devolve way too quickly lol… Curse of the faceless online world that exists.
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Still reading just felt should give you that first.
I mean
This was said back in cata
What’s funny is I been taking the abuse with a smile and only now is my patience starting to wear thin after about 4 months of this
You are an abuser who acts insanely condescending so I don’t try to play the victim.
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im not the one swearing at people.
The concept that would have been in this post
I already said it ad nauseum and you even were the target of it. All you did was ignore it anyway?
So you want to know what was suppose to be there, how about you go look at plenty of the other times I addressed it with you in the thread. Where I was a lot more civil and you were not.
That’s just not true. As Dilly mentioned on his post, a PVE hero could compete on rated PVP with full PVE gear, a PVPer couldn’t compete on PVE content with only PVP gear.
Also, there’s a long post from Venruki about the differences in gearing (PVE vs PVP) in regards to how easy was to get it and the ilvl differences vs content difficulty, so no … sorry man, you are wrong.