I don’t know, this is a lot.
Again, it’s really more to moderate ourselves and share resources.
One could say that the entire playable Alliance high elf movement is pretty silly in itself. The “anti” movement is a pro-faction identity and a pro-diverse playable races option for the Alliance movement. If framing it that way gets you there. You can even say it’s pro-distinct WoW world building.
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Ahhh I see where you’re coming from there, the discord I speak of being a moderator of operates on all moderators usually judging the decision whether to ban or not. If something seems like a bit of a biased decision the other moderators will call it out and will either come down to a vote or compromise if we can’t agree on the decision. And on things that are in an overall grey area we just discuss often going to the owner since while he is rarely around, has the final say over everything and happens to be quite neutral in his stance surprisingly. It’s not perfect though, and mod trips have been dealt with before. We used to have seven moderators the two had to be taken out due to their happy fingers when it came to banning everyone who they didn’t like. We try to make it work and as fair as we can.
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As opposed to having a discord based around copying something that’s already playable in game because you don’t like what side they’re on?
Not to mention the number of people (not all or necessarily even most of them, but still a significant portion) who seemingly have no problem dragging the horde players experience through the mud even more to have their unicorn playable copy of a horde race be oh so superior than the existing playable race.
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I’d prefer they not add high elves as a separate race.
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Horde have the High Elves or what they used to be. Anything customizable should go there.
Void Elves are fun, cool and different. Nothing wrong with them.
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Personally I hope that Blizzard removes the timer and combat break for transformation toys on RP servers. If someone there wants to be a playable Alliance trogg paladin, let them.
From what I understand, things are already zany there anyway.
In that instance I could bring up all the art and worldbuilding in the discord to help develop the High Elves into some distinct from the Blood Elves, but then I imagine that would lead to you simply denying such efforts and not deeming them as sufficient enough ways to make them different, even if they might be idle postures or accessories and hairstyles that would be different.
But that is a can of worms long-opened already and has been discussed before, suffice to say though I happen to really like the channels that discuss lore and playable concepts, also a lot of Alliance-focused nostalgia and admiration for the faction genuinely. (I’m sure it exists on some level in the anti- channel too but I imagine it’s a far more Horde-focused channel with interests leaning on that faction, fine enough but doesn’t really have a place for someone like me.)
My support of faction identity comes from things like wanting races that have culture or ideals that naturally fit the faction and also have distinguishing characteristics, it doesn’t necessarily need to be the model itself so much as what I mention before like accessories and hairstyles. It’s why I would have liked if Pandaren had gotten unique customization based on faction they chose as well, because I think the Tushui and Huojin should actually look different based on philosophy and principles.
It’s probably why I’m not fond of just any random races being added to Alliance, it has to be ones that actually fit the core of the faction or historically have members within it. That’s why, for example, I support Broken and Furbolg being playable, to give a non-High Elf example.
They are Blood Elves with weaker lore, worldbuilding, less charm, and culture than the original Blood Elves have. Also everything interesting potentially they could have is piggybacked off the Blood Elves already and Alleria’s nostalgia factor. They don’t exactly have anything that helps them stand on their own like the Nightborne, essentially.
It’s like all Blizzard did to make Void Elves was to make sure it wouldn’t upset the Horde playerbase and not think about the Alliance playerbase when designing them. At least with the High Elves, Blizzard could bank a lot on Alliance nostalgia, and already pre-built world presence that the race has that Void Elves simply don’t hold a candle to because they’re a very “lolsorandom” addition to the lore.
I don’t know, maybe if they ever get worthwhile worldbuilding but I doubt it. There are other races who haven’t and aren’t ever going to get it either, so stands to reason not to expect it for Void Elves either, the race pretty much did what it set out to do and that was to be a foil to Blood Elves who were proven right about the Void anyway. (Because Blizzard themselves are very biased towards Light in Light vs. Void narratives.)
Blizzard already did a good job of dragging Void Elves through the mud to have their 8.3 “Void bad” story patch, so I don’t think you need to worry about Blood Elves ever looking like bad people in anyway, especially when they took part in helping dethrone Sylvanas and are proven to be upstanding members of the Horde.
I would say the same about Alliance high elves.
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Which I already addressed here:
And High Elves still have a lot more characters they can pull from Northrend and other places for example, Void Elves lack that level of historical footprint in the game’s world.
Okay, they are derived from the same group that Alliance high elves share 99% of their lore with. They were an unexpected addition, but by now they have almost as much story of their own as Alliance high elves have.
Maybe if you’re lucky they’ll absorb the rest of the Alliance high elves, and if you just care about the continuity of that story, maybe they’ll return to Silvermoon. The Alliance high elf story was never all that separate from the Blood Elf story anyway. Night Elves would make better antagonists.
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Which both points are incorrect. The High Elf discord states it is open to all, and it is a public link that anyone with a discord account can use. As for allowing people with differing opinions… Can’t pick and choose and then say the door is open to people with differing opinions, because the door isn’t actually open.
I am in it, but I don’t have much to say honestly. Most of what is here from me is for the players who read it and as feedback to Blizz. Not huge on big forum crowds personally.
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You were pretty negative in there and we never gave you the boot.
Our door is open to people with differing opinions, we just want to keep out the trolls.
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Not really? None of the characters associated with them, aside from Alleria, share any of the High Elves history of being Alliance members and seasoned war veterans against the Horde. That is a much cooler history to give them than just a bunch of scientists who messed up and were proven wrong by the Blood Elves, then swiftly kicked out.
Why don’t they even have their own reputation faction that’s all about them or the content that entails? I’m pretty certain High Elves have way more quests they give out than Void Elves for the most part.
I don’t know why they would snort Void, their whole reason for separating away from Blood Elves was to get away from fel snorting. It would be an out of character development of the lore, but then again that’s par for the course when they’ve continued trying to hammer in new races for the Alliance without doing a single ounce of homework to get up to that point.
i like that , they can
Like how the pro side discord banned a ton of us for no good reason while letting the worst examples of the pro side run wild?
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Well, Blood Elves do, from WC2&3
So…that’s part of that 99%
Because you hate the Horde so much you want to end your dependency on the Horde controlled Sunwell?
I literally and absolutely never ever spoke up until I was @ed at, and it was always some sort of trash talk. So any negativity was born from the negativity that was handed to me.
It was my policy to never bother anyone… Until I was the target of whatever bologna.
And yet there are still antis in the discord. Name visible and everything as far as I am aware. Chances are the people who got banned got banned for a reason.
You think this is the first time someone has been banned from a large discord server and said “man, I didn’t do nuffin’ wrong! This is so unfair” when in fact… They did. Kind of like how players get a suspension or a mute in WoW, head over to CS to complain, and then the blues reveal that they did in fact deserve whatever Blizz decided to give them.
Oh and I wouldn’t attempt to comment on wild considering how foul I have seen that… Discord get. Every time I was insulted or called a name, or another player was when their post was linked and everyone mocked them I never saw anyone even chastised. So no. Try that bologna somewhere else.
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That is false.
You were very antagonistic, then you’d bolt…which looks like why you got pinged.
They were being held to a different standard than the people they were disagreeing with.
Well, at least one of them was looking for a fight.