But regardless, a “click here to declare you read and understood our legal gibberish” box isn’t gonna stand up in court if things go that far.
It’s more of a tool companies can use to justify action like bans. But for years, the idea of the EULA you have to agree to after you’ve paid money for the product - locking you out of using the product you paid for unless you agree - has been frowned on by many.
Again, that’s why major companies like Microsoft have started using plain language in their user agreements, and a “here’s what’s changed” section that links to the entire EULA, which is what the customer is agreeing to (even though they STILL won’t read it because nobody does - but at least they have a better idea of what they’re agreeing to).
You don’t speak for anyone but yourself. I take the time to read the thing, and go back often to be able to quote or paraphrase from it while being here to help folks. So there are more than just Aik.
That said, this forum isn’t the place for your suggestions or the debate queueing up. This forum is for players to assist other players. It’s not one to offer your thoughts or opinions on matters. If you have suggestions you might like to offer, please take it to GD or make use of the in-game suggestion tool. Fair warning we just had another thread yesterday or the day before that got locked down for wanting to debate laws and Blizzard’s stance/rules/etc.
Blu, you rock for going through and offering this so that others might have a chance to see and better understand the updates.
woe to anyone that blindly agrees to a legal document without reading it.
You have to be exact and leave no room for interpretation when it comes to legal documents. Plain Language documents are notorious for bad loop holes. ANY good lawyer that knows his stuff knows this. Poorly written (plain langauge) legal documents hurt people more than protecting them.
It’s best not to make absolute statements - unless you can prove in every court case that goes with that, it can and will backfire when making blanket statements.
There is very little in the EULA that isn’t “plain English”.
It is. You agree to the terms.
You obviously haven’t read it if you are saying this.
If you only read the section about the changes you don’t know if they are the only changes in the document or if other things were changed and not put in the “changes” section. Having a “changes” section may seem good, but it makes users lazy. They tend to read the “changes” section only and can think that the “changes” section is the only one that applies.
No, they don’t. A “changes” section doesn’t include everything you agree to, just the ones that changed. The “changes” section could just say that a comma(,) was added or removed from a sentence without actually giving the whole section that was affected.
Some EULA’s I read, some I don’t. However I always appreciate a “‘This is what changed” document.
The forums are full of posts from people who only read the EULA after a dispute arises.
In the end, whether I read the EULA or not, a court or an arbitrator will read it in its entirety when resolving a dispute and base their decision on it.
Add me to the list of people who read what I agree to. Not only do I read the Blizz EULA, I have it essentially memorized so that I did not even need to look at an old one to figure out changes - at least the core ones.
Almost anywhere I go, I am given a set of documents to sign and agree to. Doctor’s office, cell phone, bank, utilities, mortgage or lease, etc. Even going to the park they have a list of rules that I have to agree to in order to use the park. Most of it is pretty simple and common sense, but I still take the time to read over things.
I do understand this ,don’t get me wrong. Not blaming Bluspacecow with her posting I find it very commendable . If any (which I do know they are reading this) please inform people before you activate this next time that it is coming so people can prepare .
I’m not sure I understand. You want them to announce that they’re going to be releasing a new EULA? Or you want them to release the EULA before they officially release it (which wouldn’t really make any sense)?
I guess I’m not sure what people need to “prepare” for. I mean, it’s a legal document and it’s not really up for debate. We as players get the choice to either agree with it or not (or read it or not I guess).
Unless you are a genies in computerization ,which I’m not ,spend hours trying to fix it thinking it was computer related problem ,logging into a game playing it for a few hours then get thrown out to sign an EULA then try to read it through to the end (which is timed thought Torghast and mythic time dungeon were bad )anyone would be furious on this presentation method ,just make a post saying it is coming would make it better for all.
In any event, whether you choose to disagree with the presented terms before that sign-in process or retroactively, your recourse is the same: stop logging into the game (and presumably stop paying for WoW game time or services). It’s literally a “take it or leave it” deal, and when you decide you disagree is almost completely immaterial. You free yourself of this agreement the moment you decide to stop utilizing the sevice.
I suppose they COULD say “there will be a new EULA to sign on June 1st”. Otherwise though, they won’t release a draft for review or anything. It just comes out to all of us when ready to be released.
That should not happen. If you are in game then it won’t impact you. You don’t see the EULA until a new login.
I didn’t get thrown out of the game either. I switched back-and-forth between my NA and EU accounts. I didn’t get the new EULA offered until I turned my computer on this morning.
