Jaina Proudmoore committed unspeakable acts against blood elves,m

Ok, so it being gray doesn’t matter because you don’t think that’s true.

If you think it is black and white one way, people can think the opposite.

That’s still not grey.

It can only be grey if Jaina has some fault.

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Then it was suppose to be grey in that the fault of Lother’mar/Aethas have also been washed away and now Garrosh and his Horde is the one everyone blames for it.

Like neither side is to blame as far as the story goes and we all now lump it on Garrosh.

That’s still not grey. That’d mean Lor’themar and Aethas and Jaina are in the white and Garrosh is in the black. And you seem to think it is Jaina is in the white and Aethas, Lor’themar, and Garrosh are in the black.

Again, the Purge is only grey if Jaina also has some fault. Otherwise we have clearly wrong parties and clearly right parties.

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Then I say even if Blizzard wanted it to be a grey event it failed spectacularly and Jaina was in the right and the Horde was in the wrong. Better?

And now the Horde gets to stand there with Jaina as if nothing happened. Which works fine for me. Consider it their penitence for Theramore.

Hell with Midnight coming the Alliance will have to again protect a Horde city from destruction.

I mean don’t know why you brought up the idea it was grey in the first place when you don’t even think that.

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Because that is what Blizzard wanted. I never said that is what I thought of the event.

And the fact Blizzard wanted it to at least be a grey events means everyone sans Garrosh gets to walk out of it relatively unscathed. Hell, Aethas even got to return to the Kirin Tor.

What Blizzard wanted doesn’t matter, what actually happened does.

Blizzard could want you to think Jaina is super evil and ugly, that doesn’t mean you have to or should think that.

If Blizzard wanted me to think it was grey, that means I should think Jaina has some fault.

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It matters in so much as now the Horde can do nothing but just accept they have to work with Jaina. The same has been true with the Alliance as it has been forced to work with the Horde even after a dozen attrocities.

And if Jaina’s story ever ends she will likely be treated like a hero, even maybe by the Horde.

They have to accept working with her. That doesn’t mean they have to judge the event any differently.

The Burning of Teldrassil wasn’t grey because we have to work with Horde characters now. People can judge Jaina or, say Lor’themar regardless if Blizzard moves on from those events.

Doesn’t really impact how someone judges the events, though. If Jaina killed a bunch of children, some people would still view her as a hero even if the story treated it as horrible.

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Lor’themar never committed his own little pogrom; there’s no evidence to suggest he had the High Elves murdered.

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Indeed, it’s laughable to try and exaggerate the bloodless exile of dissidents to the level of Jaina’s proper noun Purge of Dalaran. At worst he joins Malfurion, Baine, Katherine Proudmoore, Rastakhan, and the dozen other WoW leaders who managed to exile undesirables without massacres.

Also, exiles from Silvermoon in Year 22 would technically have been blood elves, erasing the “targeted minority” element.

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The very moment Lor’themar found out Kael was dead and that he was now the official leader of Silvermoon, he reached out to the helves with an olive branch.

There’s a short story about it lol

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It’s disappointing that we’re going back to see Quel’thalas under siege in Midnight, instead of Lor’themar being officially crowned King (or being given a more permanent sounding title in general then Regent-Lord). Though I guess Lor’themar could still be King, provided he survives.

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let him earn his kingship, I say

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Baenan spat on the floor near the elf’s feet. “Ye blood elves wouldn’t know nobility if ye had th’ definition tattooed on yer foreheads. Pathetic, slavering magic addicts, ye even sold out yer own people!

Talithar’s face whitened, giving Baenan the satisfaction of having hit a nerve. He realized it was unwise to bait his jailor, but he was too angry to care.

“Aye,” he pressed, “I’ve met high elves in me life. I know what ye did tae them. I come from Loch Modan; I’ve heard th’ stories from th’ Farstrider lass there—”

In a surprising display

Sold out their own people. Sounds worse to be honest.

He exiled dissenters, and the first thing he did when the point of contention passed was take steps to help them. In what demented mind is that worse than the bloody and remorseless purge of an innocent population? :joy_cat:

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As Elierra just said, he exiled dissenters. Baenan is being overdramatic with that exaggeration, and even then its not something Lor’themar took satisfaction in.

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There is nothing to suggest Baenan was exaggerating and Talithar confirmed that it was a choice between integrity and wellbeing(he didn’t even deny the claim). And the blood elves gave up integrity for well being. Look, I doubt the Silver Covenant suddenly developed such a hatred for the blood elves for no reason. Midnight will likely deal with all of this once and for all.

“Ye even sold out yer own people” is the exaggeration; Lor’themar did not ‘sell out his own people’, he exiled them because the circumstances he was in (coming off a genocide) required him to lead a perfectly unified kingdom – it certainly didn’t help matters that thanks to the situation with Garithos and Kael’thas & The Alliance of Stormwind spying on Quel’thalas up to and including sending a Sentinel military force to Quel’thalas, the Blood Elves wouldn’t receive reliable allies and had no options for reliable allies in general until Thrall’s New Horde came along.

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Yeah exiled them to Scourge infested lands. Do you really think high elves wouldnt have died because of such an act?