How many weeks has this raid been out? lol.
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It’s week 2 and a Korean guild already killed it. Doesn’t need a nerf yet, maybe a few weeks before togc. If it was a hard mode gate keeping algalon or another part of the instance I would understand, but that is not the case. It has already been nerfed from original ptr too.
Also the world will not end if your guild does not get XT hard mode before TOGC and that is OKAY, mine probably won’t either.
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What’s with the rush to nerf it though? It’s not like any guild is forced to kill it in hard mode.
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They acknowledge the original was unkillable. We’re already fighting a nerfed XT.
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I don’t have a problem with bosses being hard. But it should be obvious that this early boss is not intended to be the most difficult encounter in the raid. His health is the only issue.
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Yeah, I don’t think that a berserk timer should ever be used as the primary reason a boss is “hard.”
Those should only ever be used to ensure that guilds don’t do stuff like stack twice the healer count to trivialize the fights.
There’s nothing fun about failing a fight not because of any mechanical flaw, but because it just has more health than a timer reasonably allows you to beat.
It should have died hundreds of times week 1. Any guild that killed Algalon, or hell, all 4 keepers should already have this dead if the tuning of it was in the realm of sanity.
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is there a log for that?
i woule like a source.
fact is you need to blow through 58.75 million hp within 360 seconds. that equals 8160 dps, if you calculate with 20 dps.
that is, for such a long fight, with forced movement that can interrupt you due to grav/light, a lot.
If the only meaningful mechanic is burn the boss, I agree. But there are bosses with dps checks that are very hard to meet while dealing with the mechanics. The timer makes it hard, but it’s fun to figure out how to handle the mechanics in a way to maximize dps.
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yeah, but then there is xt. that requires a raid dps that is above the raid dps that the fastest thorim hm kill guild had in an2 minute 14 kill, on a 6 minute fight.
I remember reading this but I had the impression it wasn’t nerfed in the end since it still require very high dps. The 360sec berserk timer might be the next thing on the list to nerf. Hopefully this boss is going down before March by most HM guilds and before any nerfs.
Xt is pretty much impossible atm.
The best guilds are getting him to 40% with the berserk timer.
I think 3 total atm.
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You struggled on XT-? Hate to break it to you, only gets worse from there.
Xt 25 hardmode is the highest dps check in wotlk. Nothing in icc comes close to it.
If you’re going to troll, atleast be intelligent.
Nvm, you’re just a green parser with a 28 average. You have no clue what’s going on.
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This really your first post? Shame you couldn’t have actually thought before commenting.
Literally in the thread title that we’re talking about 25m, you clown.
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Sir 10 man is incredibly easy compared to 25 man anything, and 25 man XT HM has not been cleared.
Considering how fast everything has been cleared, what does that tell you? That guilds who have been playing on private servers doing this for 10 years are somehow bad at killing the same boss they’ve killed 1000 times?
10 man hardmodes are still harder than 25 man non hard modes lol. 10man algalon is harder than 25 man hm mimiron.
Imagine going through all this because you don’t have the stones to boot baddies and don’t run logs to get at least a little better. Wow…
The people running a bunch of splits and going for world first all seem to agree with this because they are 40% off a kill and they know that it will take potentially months to get that much more dps from gear upgrades. The people who have no idea what they are talking about are against it because they saw the word nerf.
Yes, this boss needs to be nerfed. Unless you think average guilds are going to come back in phase 3 or potentially phase 4 to get a HM kill on it finally.
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Yeah people in this forum and their lack of knowledge amaze me.
I mean just calculating the required Raid dps, then taking the Raid dps the literally best guilds in the world currently deal on fights with less fight length and comparable staticness (like Thorim) would easily show how overtuned the HP pool is.
As i already mentioned, Beef Bar is lacking 10k raiddps in the raidcomp they played to do the fastest Thorim kill.
In a 2minutes 14 second fight, where Lust and other cds have a higher impact than in a 6 minute fight like XT.
XT25 hm should be killable, with lots of gearupgrades (of which realistically after 1-3 weeks of splitraiding not many exist, due to HM gear outside of Algalon being heavily restricted in the amount that drops) on specific stackable DPS.
With a normal, non stacked, non splitgeared raidcomp XT-25 HM should either be unkillable during ulduar, or requiring like 30+ weeks of geardrops.
I’m sorry but P2 has not even been out 2 weeks and you are crying for a nerf… It’s called progression.