It's time to admit M+ and tank changes have made this season DOA

They are for me, they might be for you… me and you don’t represent everyone in the game.

Again; this isn’t a discussion of opinions, what you’re saying is just objectively wrong. In the context of “very easy content”, there is still a spectrum of difficulty and players within that spectrum at different levels.

raid carries literally pay for the the RWF

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well, then you either learn… or stay in your lane

there was too much bloat in the m+ system

i believe anyone can learn if they want to though

Oh yeah I angered all the carebears…go ahead and give me the stare…:.token and m+ changed wow I’m not saying it’s bad it’s just changed.

And this was back in Shadowlands:

"Keep in mind that regional differences result in gold having different values across the game. Using regional WoW Token WoW Token prices for the sake of comparison, JiTianHong spent 52% more gold than Liquid, but in China that amounts to “only” $32,000 USD, an amount slightly lower than BDGG’s spending, while Liquid’s 723 million gold equates to nearly three times more at $93,000 USD!

Using the same conversions, this puts Echo’s spending at about $59,000 USD, SK Pieces at roughly $57,000 USD, Method at approximately $41,000 USD, and BDGG at around $37,000 USD."

Its easier to carry people in a raid then it is in M+.
PvP carries are much harder becuase blizzard can track them and PvP requiers a lot more skill to do.
But people still buy 1800 carries for titles, mogs all the time. So its not completely unique or some how easier in M+

Its a lot easier for say, 12 people to carry the dead weight of the 13th, then it is for 4 people to carry the weight of the 5th.

Good (10 char)

idk, pretty sure blizz is fine with buying pvp carries for gold

No, they are not, at least not glad carries, they cracked down hard on that one, and its actually really easy for them to catch glad carries now.

You are, again, talking in the context of your own experience, which is not a global experience. If you’re a player who consistently and easily used to reach the point of +15s or +20s or whatever; you weren’t the player that saw mechanics in a +2, but that doesn’t mean those players didn’t exist, and didn’t exist en masse.

Those players DID used to stay in their lane. Their lane was then deleted. Their lane no longer exists. You call it bloat, but the entirety of its affect on you as a +10 or greater player was making you run 3 dungeons at the start of an expansion to get your key up… and that’s it. Thats the entire list of “bloat”.

don’t see anywhere were you can’t pay for pvp carries

Oh buddy PvP Carrie’s are super simple and the wierd part is most people want 1600 in something they don’t even want 2k achieves. My friend is on a 2400+ rbg team and they do cash Carrie’s and they literally make hundred a day doing it. Well all through sl
And df anyways. I don’t get folks. Token sales changed wow. Can we just agree on that?

i mean, i’ll never agree with you so… oh well

Oh yeah fair enough i almost forgot about RBGs its easier to carry in there for sure.

I mean yeah i hate the token i think it fundamentally jacked up wow bad.
But yeah it was post shadow land they cracked down on glad carries becasue it was getting bad, and it was easy to catch when some random literally who with no pvp raiting stats teaming up with a gald player that suddenly has a rank of like 1200 and then shoots back up to 2400

Blame the key squish of DF S4. They’ve made the barrier to entry for M+ ridiculous and quite frankly unreasonable.

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How groups were there when you remove the specific niche of farming?

I see fifteen groups right now at 11PM EST, and that’s only for level 4 keys…

All fifteen keys I mentioned above had a tank, and you could also tank yourself.

Are you assuming their game knowledge?

Make your own groups.

Then leave.

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Thing about the S4 squish was it was largely ignorable because we had such stupid high gear at that point becuase of the builion system, which BTW, loved that system can that come back in some sort of iteration?

Agree with what? Again; not an opinion. You can’t “disagree” with a fact. Are you saying you think those players just shouldn’t have a place in M+? That’s an opinion… I guess. But it is a fact that they used to, and it is a fact that they no longer do. Those are not opinions.

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Right, if they can’t keep up with the change, they can do delves

I think its a good thing to make people step out of their comfort zone and actually TRY though

Also, delves are vastly more fun.

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